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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-08-25 06:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #3156 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3156 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think you're morally obligated, but it's a total dick move not to. I've never not given or been given a reason when I've had relationships end.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Hold up, how do you say something is a dick move but then say it's not a moral obligation to do otherwise? Wouldn't it be a moral obligation if it makes you a dick to not do it?

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
da

Moral obligation is different from not being a dick though? The former is a lot more serious than the latter. I don't think you're morally obligated to hold the door open for the person behind you, but it's a dick move not to.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you think people have a moral obligation to not be a dick?

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Err, no? Because I hold moral obligation to be something deeper than typical day-to-day interactions. I'm assuming here we're defining "being a dick" as casual rudeness, as opposed to like killing and raping people. I think people should strive to not be dicks, but that's hardly an "obligation".

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
THIS, THANK YOU.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Ehhhh, depends on how seriously you see moral obligations. Frex some people see them everywhere and flicking a used cigarette butt into the street is breaking a minor one but the obligation to not litter was still there.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
NYART

Violating a moral obligation says something about you in perpetuity. Being a dick one time just means you were a dick that one time. A lot of good people are dicks sometimes, because they're also human.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
No, this logic doesn't follow. I would say I have the moral obligation to save a child from a fire if I see one, but if I fail to do so the one time it doesn't make me a terrible person. I may save the child the next time if it happens. That doesn't mean it wasn't a moral obligation.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Define "not saving the child." Did you try? If yes, you have fulfilled your moral obligation. If not, you have violated your moral obligation and are, indeed a shitty person, made marginally less shitty by trying to save the next child in a fire you see.

And I also think there's a difference between a moral obligation and a nice thing to do. ie: Moral obligations are for the big things. Your break-up scenario? On the grand scale? Peanuts.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, going to have to disagree on the first part. If you lock up in a panic and can't even try, I hardly think that makes you a shitty person. I think that makes you quite normal really.

But oh, no, I don't disagree that the breakup scenario is peanuts. It is, for sure. But, not everyone considers moral obligations to be big serious things, either. Someone gave the example of cleaning up after yourself in a picnic area below. Some people might consider it a moral obligation to not litter in a public place, others will shrug and say it's no big deal.

Which is why I said in other threads, I suppose it depends on whether anon thinks not being a dick is a moral obligation, because some people would say it is.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

I'm pretty sure that wanting to help the child but locking up in a panic counts as trying to help. Just not actually making it far in the helping.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I was imagining total lockup, where the person knows intellectually that they should be going but is frozen by fear and such. I wouldn't call that "shitty" - and some people would argue that an untrained random civilian doesn't have the moral obligation to save a child if it puts you in danger - but ehh, that's where subjective morality comes in. :)
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-08-26 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think that's a good example. It's dangerous to go into a fire unless you're a trained firefighter. Not saying nobody ever should but in some cases I'd say the risk it too high.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Just because you can't follow something doesn't mean it doesn't follow.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think all things that are dickish are necessarily immoral.

SA

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
And this was AYRT, btw.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
It depends on whether or not you think a person has a moral obligation to not be a dick, I suppose. I'm not arguing for either stance here, but the "you're a dick, which is morally bad, but you're not morally obligated to not be bad" part is throwing me.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-25 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think a person has a moral obligation to not be a dick, depending on what you think being a dick means.