[ SECRET POST #3157 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3157 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Mystique is supposed to be unflinchingly badass. Lawrence's portrayal of the character is not. She also lacks Romijn's charisma. Not to mention, her hair and makeup in XMFC was so godawful it almost distracted me from the billion other flaws in that piece of shit movie.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't know she was in charge of the characterization and plot, and also the hair and makeup

[(Anonymous)]

An actor should be able to use their acting skills to bring nuance to a shitty script and/or shitty characterization.

That is literally an actor's job, ffs.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

No, sometimes a shitty script is just a shitty script. See Star Wars: Episode III as an example.

[(Anonymous)]

You're comparing an unsalvageable mess to a mess that could have been salvaged if the cast had had more competent actors.

Not really the same.

[(Anonymous)]

again, you literally cited her hair and makeup as one of the ways in which she ruined Mystique

(frozen comment)

[(Anonymous)]

lol. why don't you go back to ur cherik a/b/o barista mpreg au, xmfc stan?

(frozen comment)

[(Anonymous)]

lol are you for real bro

[fingalsanteater]

No, XMFC was a terrible movie separate from the cast. Even Hoult couldn't save it.

[(Anonymous)]

Even the worst movies can still be enjoyable if the actors can actually act for shit.

[fingalsanteater]

Having seen a lot of movies, terrible and otherwise, I can tell you that this is assuredly not true. If your story and directing is shit, even the best actor can't make a failure a success.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Which one? Revenge of the Sith wasn't an actor problem, it was a director problem. George Lucas has a tin ear for performance and manages to get the worst out of the best. We've known this since Star Wars, which was saved from Lucas by brilliant post production and Marcia stepping in as an uncredited editor.

For X-Men: First Class, we can blame a script that turned Raven into Xaver's little sister, sidekick, and love-polygon plot device for the development of three different male characters. There's almost nothing to salvage from that movie other than Xavier/Magneto slash subtext and Kevin Bacon's swinging bachelor submarine.

[(Anonymous)]

Episode III was a mess because Episodes I and II were fractured catastrophes without conflict. Of the three of them at least Episode III had an explicit conflict with actual tension to it on the screen. Whether or not you cared about it or it was a good conflict that made best use of the characters by that point is another matter entirely.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I think Episode III had great ideas. Unfortunately George's tin ear for dialogue and performance made it feel like undergrad Macbeth. That is reasonable if you're doing a small-studio art piece, but not when you have Oz, Lee, McGregor, Portman, and McDiarmid on your cast.

Compare any of the Lucas-directed and written episodes to Empire Strikes Back, a Kasdan/Kershner film. Kershner's instinct to let Fisher and Ford develop the nuances of their performance in rehearsal rather than micromanaging them paid off.

[diet_poison]

...not really.

They should do the best with what they're given but if actors could magically un-shittify a shitty script, nobody would need scriptwriters/directors/other people who aren't actors to put on a show or movie.

[(Anonymous)]

"Mystique is supposed to be unflinchingly badass"... hah. Ahahahahahah.

There are some cards you can still play, anon, but "Old-school fan who understands these characters on a deep level you noobs don't even know about" is no longer one of them.

???

[(Anonymous)]

Comic-book Mystique is pretty hardcore, though.

Maybe not unflinching. The comic-book version had a wife and daughter, and could hesitate out of concern for them.

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[(Anonymous)]

The comic-book version had a wife and daughter

Wait, when did comics Mystique become canon gay

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[(Anonymous)]

Actually she's bisexual.

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[(Anonymous)]

Really?

Seriously, when did this happen?

(anon hasn't paid attention to X-Men since they were a kid rereading old volumes of Essential X-Men from the 70s and 80s)

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[(Anonymous)]

She and Destiniy were a couple for a long time.
Also, Nighrcrawler was originally supposed to be born when Raven and Destiny did the dirty tango, but the comic code at the time didn't allow it so they made her hook up with Azrael instead.

http://www.afterellen.com/people/4224-the-bisexual-mystique
http://www.comicvine.com/mystique/4005-1469/

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[cbrachyrhynchos]

The 1980s? Granted, it was never explicitly stated until Destiny was put out of the picture.

"become"?

[raspberryrain]

Like, the second page she appeared on? They kind of underplayed it for years, but it was pretty blatant by the time Irene died.

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[(Anonymous)]

IKR? The anon you're replying to sounds like one of those movieverse fans who think they know everything because they read a few issues of the comic when they were 12, then looked up the characters' backstories on Wikipedia after watching the films as adults.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure even the most badass of characters was not badass when they were a teenager or young twenty something. I always assumed the unsure and insecure characterization was intentional, as her character develops into the Mystique we know.