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⌈ Secret Post #3168 ⌋

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Transcript by OP

[fscom]

No matter how much TPTB or fandom insisted that I had to love Britta, I always disliked every single incarnation of this character. The strange thing is that I loved every other female character on Community, even the ones who are hated by fandom.

If I were Queen, I would’ve traded Britta in a heartbeat if it meant I could keep Shirley.

S!B People in fandom tend to start screeching "misogyny" if you publicly say that you can’t stand Britta. Yet these same people have no problems hating on Shirley, Annie, Michelle, Frankie, or any other female character you care to name.

[(Anonymous)]

I kind of agree... I didn't mind Britta but I never felt very bad for her because every time shit happened or she got in trouble, it was pretty deserved and she brought it on herself. I found all the other female characters way more sympathetic. There was no hook for me with Britta, or a reason for me to feel bad when the person who kept shooting her in the foot was herself.

Considering the people you're talking about though, it's not surprising they're defensive of the outspoken white girl whiteknight who is a bit too harsh at times but means well (!!!).

[(Anonymous)]

ITA on Britta's brand of upper-class WASP-y version of feminism, which no matter how sincerely felt feels pretty exclusionary to working class/poor women and (from what I read since I have no direct experience of this) POC women.

At least canon did call Britta out on being a hypocrite in general on activism right in the second episode, and it kept calling her out on it for the entirety of the show's run, so there's that, I guess.

I'll be honest. I think the OP is overstating slightly. Yeah, there's a significant portion of Britta-stans who'll level the misogyny accusations against other fans when someone says they don't like Britta, but for the most part that seems to come more from Jeff/Britta shippers than people who simply cite Britta as their favorite character.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Oh I know the show kept calling her out, I don't blame the show for overlooking it. But that's part of what made the character unsympathetic to me. I was sympathetic in the first season but then she kept on going, kept getting called out, and never got any better, which made it all worse.

Isn't Jeff/Britta the majority fanship?

[(Anonymous)]

I liked Britta as she was first introduced, if nothing else because I think we all knew a Britta in college, or were the Britta. (I was a combination of Annie and Britta myself.)

But then she got flanderdized, and that version was less fun.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the way Britta got flanderized almost killed the show for me. All the other characters showed so much grow and development but she just kept becoming more and more cartoonish. By the end she was worse than Chang, she was so unrealistic and anvilicious.

[sabotabby]

I thought she got flanderized and then got better. I loved her at the beginning (I related) but then she just became the token ditz whenever they needed one.

[rivia]

iirc harmon based britta partly on the woman he was dating at the time when he made the character, they broke up after a season or two of the show and britta's characterization just kind of went out of control.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure where you got the idea that the TPTB wanted you to like Britta? I think the show writers were very obviously bashing and trying to portray her as cartoonishly unlikeable, specially in the later seasons. And I admit I'm not really in the Community fandom, but I have read Community fic, and all of it made it clear that the fanwriter didn't think much of her.

[likeadeuce]

Yeah, I sort of got that too. I think it's one of the things that reinforced defensiveness of Britta for those who liked her. Personally, I found her pretty endearing even when she did horrible things (because people can fuck up sometimes and still be relatable; heck sometimes we relate to the ways they fuck up), though Jeff/Annie was definitely a better ship.

[(Anonymous)]

Britta is very annoying.

[(Anonymous)]

That's too bad! One of my favourite things about Community was that all of the characters had incredibly annoying qualities, but I still thought they were all really likeable.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. I liked all the characters, and had no problem with any of the women. I think it took a short while, when the show first debuted, for me to fully warm up to Britta, but then I came to love her as much as I did everyone else. And I definitely miss Shirley.

Speaking in a general sense here...I feel sometimes like it's almost a rarity nowadays to like/love all of the characters on a TV show. I can honestly find something to like or love about all the characters on my favorite shows (unless they're villains/bad guys, and even then, most of them are "love to hate" sorts). It's hard for me to really fathom continuing to watch a show if there's certain characters I REALLY couldn't stand, and so the fact that there are fans who do that seems odd to me.

To each their own, of course, everyone's got their own reasons for and ways of watching TV. Just a personal observation I've noticed in various fandoms of late.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I can't stand hating characters, and it can definitely make me hate the shows they're in (especially if they're fan favourites or constantly treated positively in canon). Sometimes I'll try to force myself to be extra sympathetic towards characters who do things that bother me, solely because I don't want them to ruin the entire series for me, haha.

I think what helped was that Community did a pretty great job with calling them out whenever they were being assholes? Piers especially! It's a lot easier to accept their flaws when the show acknowledges that they exist.

[(Anonymous)]

I never really liked Britta (I only watched the first four seasons), but I always considered her a very important part of the show and the study group. She was a valuable part of the whole, and the friendships and the show would have been diminished by her lack.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with all of this.

But I think like the person above who kept waiting for Britta to stop shooting herself in the foot and start owning her shit, I was kind of waiting for Britta to start living up to her "grrrrl powr, RAWR!" rhetoric. Except, nope. Aside from season six, all of her major storylines were always tied up with helping or romancing the male characters.

I mean, I get that the whole point was that Britta could be a hypocritical slacktivist, which Dan Harmon has admited is more than in part based on himself, but it seems she never really broke out of that mindset for the entire run of the show.

[(Anonymous)]

Can't we just accept at this point that fandom uses the words "misogyny," "racism," "homophobia," "transphobia," and "pedophilia" as bywords for "I'm irrationally upset that you don't like something I like/like something I don't like?"

[(Anonymous)]

This, pretty much.

[(Anonymous)]

Which is funny, because that's exactly what this character does.

[(Anonymous)]

The running joke towards the end was that Britta tended to compare situations and people to Hitler. At least they had the Jewish character calling her out whenever those comparisons got made on screen.

[(Anonymous)]

just like how 'problematic' is short hand for 'i don't like this thing so no one is allowed to like this thing, here are some made up/reaching reasons why it's BAD and if you like it you're a BAD person too'.

[(Anonymous)]

I love Britta, but I get why people don't like her. I've never thought that people who dislike her are misogynists. She's a bit much, but I like that about her.

I do really miss Shirley, though, and the show is rather flat without her. :(

[(Anonymous)]

I think losing Shirley was a bigger blow than even losing Troy. Although I don't know if it's because they written themselves into a corner with Troy so losing him wasn't that big of a deal, or if it was because losing Shirley tipped the balance on the cast's comedic chemistry.

All I know is I liked most of season five more than I liked most of season six, and YNB's comedy timing was a big reason for that.

[(Anonymous)]

YNB was great with her line delivery. Just the way she said something was enough to make me laugh.