[ SECRET POST #3172 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3172 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[dethtoll]

I think the problem with Civil War in the comics wasn't the idea -- after all, Marvel likes to show a shaky relationship between civilians and superheroes and Civil War is well in line with that. The problem, as always, is the execution. DC and Marvel are both guilty of coming up with really neat ideas and then executing it really badly.


In Civil War's case, the main issue is Tony's reduction to a 2-dimensional "it's the law, it's the law" villain -- and that Marvel, despite promising an even-handed look at the registration issue, pretty quickly gave up on that and made Team Cap the "correct" side.


It's a sound idea. But the movie will probably tackle it better -- the MCU has been pretty solid in comparison to the books.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

"In Civil War's case, the main issue is Tony's reduction to a 2-dimensional "it's the law, it's the law" villain -- and that Marvel, despite promising an even-handed look at the registration issue, pretty quickly gave up on that and made Team Cap the "correct" side."

Yeah, that was my biggest issue with it. I think I read somewhere that Mark Millar believed in the Pro-Registration side and pushed for it in the arc, but pretty much all the writers for the tie in comics were Anti-Registration, and due to the delay in getting the main arc out, they had ample opportunities to paint Captain America's side as good and Iron Man's side as bad. It just made the last issue all the more frustrating to me.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

There's two problems going on concurrently there.

One is that Mark Millar's a fucking fascist.

The other is that if you're on the opposite side of something from Captain America, YOU ARE THE BAD GUY. This is coded deeply into the structure of the Marvel Universe, and it was asinine to pretend they could handwave that fact away.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Coming in late to agree with your hate of Mark Millar.

[elialshadowpine]

I'll admit, what I know about the Civil War comic has come from discussions between you and a few other posters here, and I never bothered to read it. I decided backing away slowly was better for my sanity.

But MCU has a much greater investment in keeping the main characters sympathetic, even if they've failed when trying to do so (the scene in AoU between Bruce and Natasha comes to mind, mainly because of shitty, non-specific dialogue... but even then, a lot of people have mostly said it was OOC and don't hate the characters as a result). Both Steve and Tony are fandom darlings, and I really don't see them trying to vilify either side. I'll be very surprised if they do so, especially since I think they have the same writers for Cap2? I can't be arsed to double-check, but if they do, I expect that they'd do a decent job, because Winter Soldier was pretty awesome.