[ SECRET POST #3172 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3172 ⌋

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[fscom]

06. http://i.imgur.com/L5DBDiD.png

Transcript by OP

[fscom]

Image: The title for Marvel's Captain America: Civil War movie.

Text: Perhaps appropriately, I'm torn about the fact that this is going to be a thing.

On the one hand...It was a terrible idea in the comic books, and I have no idea how they can possibly make it work in the movies. It would have been better if they'd avoided it altogether.

But on the other hand...There's a chance this movie could put a dent in Iron Man's popularity, and I for one would welcome more people in the "Tony Stark is an unlikeable ass" camp.

Regardless of the way it turns out, though, I won't be seeing it. I can't deal with all that nonsense again.

[(Anonymous)]

They've made everything else work!

[elaminator]

Uh...kind of plus one.

Mostly I agree with this. (I didn't care for Age of Ultron. Didn't hate it, was just kind of bored and underwhelmed. Haven't seen Ant Man yet so I can't speak to that one, but all the other films I more or less enjoyed. Even Iron Man 2, which I think I liked more than Thor: TDW.)

I mean, I'm still hesitant about the whole idea (and worried about the size of the cast) but I'm willing to give it a shot and will try to keep an open mind. I want to like it, and I'll be glad if no one turns out being 'the bad guy'.

[otakugal15]

Well, I never read the comics. Just too much to go through. But you sound like my bff and her constant whining about this is making me really annoyed. I enjoy the movies and I wanna see this without people like you and her constantly harping on it.

[kaijinscendre]

Just be like, "The only Civil War I want to hear whining about is the one the South lost." Unless she is realllyyyy Southern, you don't want to hear really Southern people talk about the Civil War.

[(Anonymous)]

she's a nasty old boot.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I for one do not wish to start hating on my favorite character because the MCU fucked him up. Whether you think he's an unlikable ass or not.

But I'm withholding judgment until I see the movie. Which I will. On opening night. God help me.

[iggy]

Can MCU even fuck him up any more than the comics already have?

[(Anonymous)]

I am cautiously optimistic. None of the MCU films have disappointed me yet.

[(Anonymous)]

Like Age of Ultron they're pretty much only keeping the title and a thin notion of the concept. Honestly, having read both the comic versions of Age of Ultron and Civil War (fuck, I worked in a shop during Civil War and hated it) I actually have faith in them to make the film entertaining.

AoU!film was enjoyable but not their best effort - and still lightyears ahead of the comic version. :P

The only thing from the CW comics and spinoffs that would make me happy is if they referenced the Nextwave cover in order to remind people that Mark Millar licks goats.

[solticisekf]

what shop were you working in?

[cloudtrader]

You found Iron Man to be the villain of the Civil War comics? Really? I thought that, all the "futurist" bullshit motivation aside, Iron Man's position was a much more logical and ethically more realistic position than Captain America's position. Except for, of course, the evil brainwashed cloned Thor thing, but wasn't that explained away by Skrulls or something?

Actually, just thinking about the hot mess that was Civil War gives me something of a headache. I can't remember what was retconned or not.

Anyway, why does it bother you that people like Tony Stark, OP? Is it because you think his popularity as a character is distracting people from your favorite? Because you sound kinda bitter here and that's not the way to "fix" your fandom...

[(Anonymous)]

Not villainous? What about the Negative Zone prison? The retaining of psychopaths?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't feel that way going into the story. I didn't know much about Iron Man at the time, and I thought Civil War would be a story where both sides of the issue were presented fairly, with neither side clearly being in the right (maybe I was naive). But the way the story played out, Iron Man's pro-registration side was so OBVIOUSLY bad (not to mention blatantly aping the Patriot Act) that I started getting a little annoyed at the one-sidedness of the story. And then, at the end of the whole thing, the Pro-Registration side wins and Iron Man becomes director of S.H.I.E.L.D. It just felt so cynical and bitter that I directed my hatred for the whole arc onto the leader of the Pro-Registration group, which happened to be Tony Stark. I probably would have felt the same way regardless of who was in charge.

I tried not to let my feelings for the comics bleed through onto the movie version, since they were different continuities, but Stark's arrogant jerk nature*, coupled with Hype Aversion, just led to me getting sick of him.

I would never say any of this to Tony/MCU fans unanon/out loud, of course. This secret was mostly just an excuse for me to vent.

*I know for a lot of people that's counterbalanced by him having charisma and a good moral compass, but that didn't happen for me, for some reason.

[(Anonymous)]

You have explained exactly why the comics fucked it up. Under no circumstances should that storyline have allowed any sane person to reach that conclusion. Registration was wrong, internment was wrong, government backed terror against its own population was wrong. That Marvel somehow thought it was right and could be somehow justified is a horrific act in and of itself. They should have been explicit on anyone reaching your conclusion being either a moron (medically speaking) or evil, but instead they pandered to the post-9/11 paranoia just when we needed someone to stand up and oppose it.

Bastards, the lot of you.

I don't expect the movie version to be any better though, it'll be full of the same post-9/11 bullshit. It is going to take decades to undo the damage Bush/Cheney/Murdoch did to the psyche of so many nations. They gave the terrorists every real victory they could ever want. They did more damage than Bin laden could dream of.

If you are a guy, and believe what you've stated, then go stick your dick in a blender. If you are a woman, well the republicans already have control of your body so you are already damned.

[philstar22]

In the movie, at least, Tony is not going to be the bad guy. At least according to rumors both sides are going to be portrayed as just different opinions but neither more wrong the other. Which I like because I can see both sides of the issue.

[kitelovesyou]

You sound very invested, are you seriously going to hold out and not see the movie under any circumstances? Hmm.

[dethtoll]

I think the problem with Civil War in the comics wasn't the idea -- after all, Marvel likes to show a shaky relationship between civilians and superheroes and Civil War is well in line with that. The problem, as always, is the execution. DC and Marvel are both guilty of coming up with really neat ideas and then executing it really badly.

In Civil War's case, the main issue is Tony's reduction to a 2-dimensional "it's the law, it's the law" villain -- and that Marvel, despite promising an even-handed look at the registration issue, pretty quickly gave up on that and made Team Cap the "correct" side.

It's a sound idea. But the movie will probably tackle it better.

[dethtoll]

I think the problem with Civil War in the comics wasn't the idea -- after all, Marvel likes to show a shaky relationship between civilians and superheroes and Civil War is well in line with that. The problem, as always, is the execution. DC and Marvel are both guilty of coming up with really neat ideas and then executing it really badly.


In Civil War's case, the main issue is Tony's reduction to a 2-dimensional "it's the law, it's the law" villain -- and that Marvel, despite promising an even-handed look at the registration issue, pretty quickly gave up on that and made Team Cap the "correct" side.


It's a sound idea. But the movie will probably tackle it better -- the MCU has been pretty solid in comparison to the books.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a sizable enough group on tumblr that agrees with you.

[nightscale]

I didn't like Civil War in the comics at all(interesting idea I'll give them that but... yeuch, I did not like how it was handled), but we'll see how the MCU tackles it.

Tbh at the moment I'm just focusing on stuff I know I'll like, like seeing the Cap team working together again and having Bucky come back(and I so want to see him and Sam interacting, their friendship in the comics is pretty fun so I want to see how that goes in the movies).

[(Anonymous)]

There are already enough people in the MCU fandom who hate Tony (mostly people who ship Steve with someone else and think Stony is the worst), so you already shouldn't have any trouble finding people who share your dislike.

[(Anonymous)]

The comic Civil War was shit, but not because of the idea. It was actually an interesting idea just executed badly.

Civil War was shit because:
1) It completely derailed Speedball
2) Mark Millar didn't communicate with other writers what was going on
3) Tony Stark was reduced to a two-dimensional dictator
4) The Registration Act is something X-Men have been covering for AGES and have had it done well.
5) Continuity errors (for instance, Matt/Daredevil was either in jail or dead at the time yet they have him show up even though that's supposed to be Danny Rand as DD)
6) Annihilation and Annihilation Conquest were happening at the same time and was a much better even and had more pressing concerns than the Cap vs Tony pissing match.
7) One More Day is a direct result of this bullshit
8) And most infuriating of all, NOTHING CHANGED. Sure, Steve died and Bucky took over and that was fun, but the status quo was returned within a few years bar OMD/Spider-Marriage

So yeah, the comic sucked. But seeing as how points 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, and 7 do not apply to the MCU, the movie doesn't have to draw too much from the source material.

The only reason I'm worried it might suck is because the amount of characters they are cramming in. Personally, I'm convinced the movie is either gonna be really good or really bad. However, I do admit, I'm excited for more shitting on Tony so long as he has growth.

[(Anonymous)]

I might not have the right to an opinion on this since I don't even read comic books but just going by the movies I like both Tony and Steve as characters. I have always hated, with a vehement passion, when two hero characters are pit against each other. Just like with Superman vs Batman. It just seems like those stupid arguments little boys get into about 'my fav is better than your fav' and I hate it. Especially when it gets to be grown adults getting into heated arguments about every single detail and it's just pathetic.

I kinda get why people are like that, but I just hate the shit storms. It brings fandom against fandom and someone is always gonna end up on the losing side. For those who like both the characters pit against each other it's just a huge headache.