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⌈ Secret Post #3175 ⌋

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I super agree with this secret

whatever anyone else thinks, I think you are right + cool

Agreed. -> Bait me, bait me!

Good for you.

It's one thing to enjoy queerbaiting while acknowledging why it's harmful, but I guess you don't care either way?

(Btw I don't consider Agent Carter queerbaiting as it's obviously canon. One-sided, but canon.)

I have seen a lot of people argue that Agent Carter is queerbaiting though (With both Dottie and Angie), and I think "obviously canon" is a stretch. Its left ambiguous enough that it can be interpreted multiple ways imo.

I thought the mark of queerbaiting is that the canon simultaneously plays with implicit queerness, and goes to great lengths to deny it. I thought that was the reason it was more than just a charge that can be leveled at anything with subtext.

Is there some place in Agent Carter where Peggy talks about how totally nohomo she is or something?

I think your definition of queerbaiting is correct, and people tend to misapply it frequently, often to just about any subtext.

I can't speak to Agent Carter specifically, though, as I have not watched it.

There are people who'll argue that it's such a new term that it doesn't have a set definition so they can apply it to anything they want, but I think you're right. I really think it cheapens the term to apply it to every canon where there are potential same-gender couples who don't ever actually get together, or every time a character is single for a long time and doesn't turn out to be gay, or every time two same-gender characters are in an intimate situation. Queerbaiting requires the knowledge that an audience exists for queer characters and queer ships, the savvy to know how to appeal to that audience without being explicit enough to offend other parts of your audience, and the desire not only to attract that audience but to exploit it. Just ship teasing and subtext can be done in a completely non-malicious way.

I feel like the definition has changed as the term is more frequently used...although that might be just because I've seen it a lot lately in the Hannibal fandom.

I'm trying not to judge you, but you're exhibiting one of the most obnoxious fandom habits.

One of the reasons Agent Carter is such a feminist show is that Peggy is allowed to be friends with other women, in a natural, human way that we don't see enough in female protagonists. But no, in your reading, apparently there's no such thing.

You're like those people who ship Anna/Elsa because they saw a movie where the moral is that there are forms of love that aren't romantic, and absolutely refused to believe that.

actually it's okay to ship cartinelli imo

I find it kind of questionable that you compare people who ship Peggy with her female friends to people who ship characters who are siblings.

Anna and Elsa are related....

.. and one other thing that is sometimes missed is that, everything else aside, that particular kiss was part of the plot; Dottie found and put on the same "knockout lipstick" that Peggy had used in the first episode.

(That it was unexpected and delicious is a truth that's beside the point.)

Yea, the kiss was there for a reason. I didn't feel it was awfully 'baity', but maybe I'm wrong. (Either way...it was hot, so I liked it.)

I still can't work out how the wearer of the "knockout lipstick" doesn't knock HERSELF out by wearing it.

Maybe there's a little "knockout-blocking gloss" applicator on the other end.

This really bugged me!

Sigh, I'm so over the coyness and shame and appeasement of queerbaiting. This did happen, but part of the "they're only kissing because totally-not-queer" shock value trope. Like gender body swap. That said, I didn't mind it too much I suppose, hot women etc. but it's just another reminder of how heterosexist the default gaze is.

Do you have any ideas about how it would be possible to do the thing without the heterosexist gaze

No, they don't, because they're just tossing out buzzwords.

Scuse you, as a lesbian, heterosexism is something I deal with on a daily basis, it's not a "trendy" buzzword, it's you know, reality? So fuck off with that.

You sound straight, anon.

Heterosexism is an actual concept and thing.
Talking about things you don't like =/= ""buzzwords""

Do you know what heterosexism is? It's not the same as the heterosexual gaze. It means "regarding heterosexuality as normal and other sexualities as invisible, unpresumed, deviant or shocking".

I think I see what you're saying more clearly now, but I'm still curious about what a better way to do it might look like in your mind

I want to be clear that this question is entirely sincere and I'm not trying to prove some stupid dumbass point

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On the one hand, I love ambigious relationships as it's perfect fanwork mateial. On the other, it mainly happens to same sex couples and it gets seriously tiring after a while.