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True story: the grave desecration thing isn't racist, it's based on real world fact. There was a period where the Egyptian government was attempting to ban certain archaeological digs on the basis that they were desecrating graves. Not the smartest move in the world, but there are still plenty of sites (to the point of employing armed guards) that are heavily restricted so as to "preserve" them.

This is, at least, the tale according to my friends in archaeology.

Oh, no, I do not mean that. Again, that's actually a valid viewpoint. What I meant was the antagonist describing his European education and clothes as "merely veneer" covering his true Egyptian!!! savage beliefs that make him wanna murder random people. And then the protagonist being all like "your country's history was steeped in violence!!11" (dude... look at your own country for a mo...)

Oh lol. I see what you're saying.

DA

The protagonist saying that sounds accurate enough to the times, to be fair. The antagonist agreeing is the part that's weird and racist

Well, yeah. That's a fair point.

I was just really surprised and amused by how culturally insensitive the thing is.

Really? Give every film from that era that involves another culture? Cowboys and Indians for example.

I knew that theoretically! But I've only recently actually started watching anything from that era. Prior to that, I've only had experience with literature - older literature, at that - and some of it is surprisingly non-bigoted and accepting.

I find all this judging of the past so ridiculous. Not because shit happened that we now know was wrong/hypocritical/etc. But because who the hell are any of us to say we wouldn't have got it wrong then? People weren't any more or less fundamentally evil than they are now.

People post smug shit on the internet throwing around words like bigoted. Let's take it back 60/70 years and see whether you were one of the few who spoke out for civil rights, gay rights. Or even furher back, how many of us would have had the strength to stand up for women's rights in the fact of all that hostility?

How many of you are out there at protests to support the real issues? How many people who race to get offended at every single thing are out there standing with the people of Ferguson. Or any of the hundreds of causes that surely deserve some civil action in this world.

For fuck's sake.

Uh... there's so much projecting going on in this post.

I'm not really judging -judging- anyone, and as someone who's hopelessly in love with Victorian lit, I'm normally the first one to jump to the defense of dubious literary tropes from the days long gone. I agree people often judge old fiction out of ignorance or false sense of self-righteousness.

I was comparing older works to modern ones in a sort of joking, amused way, not seeking to make any sort of social justice statement.

Did I really misword my original post this badly? It might be, considering how late it is over here.

Nah mate. I think I just got the wrong end of the stick. Everyone's a keyboard warrior these days but when it comes to actually campaigning for something.... People grab the moral high ground, as if doxxing someone or sending them death threats is the equivalent of the many civil rights campaigners of years gone by that we rightly admire.

Yet the level of vitriol piled onto things that are several decades out of context.... Or the dogpiling that happens for the simplest miswording of something.

It's a nerve. I misinterpreted your post and my misreading hit that nerve right on the head. Apologies.

That's okay! <3 Happens to everyone occasionally. I'm not happy with such extreme opinions, either, and when some of them hit my sore spots, I begin frothing at the mouth as much as the next man.

I don't think those who pass sweeping judgements on all "problematic" older fiction understand how history works or what the implications of their views are. They deny the existence of kindness, care, acceptance, and ultimately, basic humanity because they can't stomach the idea of good people in imperfect societies - or, for that matter, good but flawed people.

Thanks.

They deny the existence of kindness, care, acceptance, and ultimately, basic humanity because they can't stomach the idea of good people in imperfect societies - or, for that matter, good but flawed people.

Yeah exactly. It's actually a rhetoric that is scary to me in its own right. To deny that people can be mistaken, misled, and instead can only be either good or evil is terrifying. It's the atmosphere of the Salem witchhunts, or of Nazi Germany. You're either with us or against us - and if you're against us then you're subhuman and you deserve everything you get. That's the thinking that seems to happen on every side of every argument these days. It's not healthy.

It's no good, I have to hit the sack. Sorry for the misunderstanding and thanks for the beginning of (to me) an interesting discussion.

Good night! Thanks for your chill reaction. Maybe some other day :)

calm down

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