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I just watched The Mummy with Cushing and Lee for the first time in my life, and it was an entertaining experience, but HOLY MOLY IS IT RACIST. I was laughing by the end of it because I couldn't take the Egyptian guy seriously.

I'm curious if the creators of the film were aware of the fact that he has a point when he says that archaeology is grave desecration. Like, it's not a statement of fact, but it is a genuine concern for archaeologists themselves. Did the producers knowingly give the antagonist a viewpoint that could be considered valid? Or was it just a side effect of his EVIL EGYPTIANNESS?

Also, I kind of want to see a movie where the Christian god haunts and murders someone via his bloodthirsty angels, every single one of which is played by Christopher Lee.

True story: the grave desecration thing isn't racist, it's based on real world fact. There was a period where the Egyptian government was attempting to ban certain archaeological digs on the basis that they were desecrating graves. Not the smartest move in the world, but there are still plenty of sites (to the point of employing armed guards) that are heavily restricted so as to "preserve" them.

This is, at least, the tale according to my friends in archaeology.

Oh, no, I do not mean that. Again, that's actually a valid viewpoint. What I meant was the antagonist describing his European education and clothes as "merely veneer" covering his true Egyptian!!! savage beliefs that make him wanna murder random people. And then the protagonist being all like "your country's history was steeped in violence!!11" (dude... look at your own country for a mo...)

Oh lol. I see what you're saying.

DA

The protagonist saying that sounds accurate enough to the times, to be fair. The antagonist agreeing is the part that's weird and racist

Well, yeah. That's a fair point.

I was just really surprised and amused by how culturally insensitive the thing is.

Really? Give every film from that era that involves another culture? Cowboys and Indians for example.

I knew that theoretically! But I've only recently actually started watching anything from that era. Prior to that, I've only had experience with literature - older literature, at that - and some of it is surprisingly non-bigoted and accepting.

I find all this judging of the past so ridiculous. Not because shit happened that we now know was wrong/hypocritical/etc. But because who the hell are any of us to say we wouldn't have got it wrong then? People weren't any more or less fundamentally evil than they are now.

People post smug shit on the internet throwing around words like bigoted. Let's take it back 60/70 years and see whether you were one of the few who spoke out for civil rights, gay rights. Or even furher back, how many of us would have had the strength to stand up for women's rights in the fact of all that hostility?

How many of you are out there at protests to support the real issues? How many people who race to get offended at every single thing are out there standing with the people of Ferguson. Or any of the hundreds of causes that surely deserve some civil action in this world.

For fuck's sake.

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Don't care. It's a film. An old film at that.

But I wasn't angry at the racism, just surprised. And I'm genuinely curious if they knew what they were doing when they put those words about grave desecrations into the antagonist's mouth.

And I would totally, seriously watch a film along the lines of The Mummy where it's Christianity instead of ancient Egyptian religions.

But Christian beliefs and burial rites have never included embalming. So how does that even work?

Well, again. Angels, maybe? Graveyard statues? That's kind of Doctor Who X) Evil icons that make people murder each other, like the skull in The Skull? Evil crosses, perhaps! Evil wooden Jesus coming down from his cross every night and going around strangling random folk.

So basically... nothing like the Mummy. Because Ancient Egyptian religious practices are nothing like Christian practices - ancient or modern. Right. I can totally see your point.

Worry not, films like The Mummy do not aspire to be historically accurate. All the Egyptian dude does in this is lots of reading out loud with a very dramatic face. That could easily be matched to a Christian practice.

Seriously, the point of Hammer horror stuff is ANYTHING but historical or cultural accuracy. It's the aesthetic that matters. And Christianity has plenty of aesthetics that could be turned into a cheesy Hammer narrative?

When I said "along the lines of The Mummy", I didn't mean "literally like The Mummy in every way, only Christian". Just "a horror film based on distorted religious aesthetics and stereotypes about religion".

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Curious if you've watched the Indiana Jones movies, both in terms of grave desecration (spoilers: Indiana Jones is basically the worst archaeologist) and also in terms of its use of Christian mythology (although definitely very far from what you're talking about here).

But anyway, the only Mummy I've seen is the 1999 one.

No!! I'm only beginning to venture into the marvellous world of cheesy 20th-century action-adventure franchises. Thank you; I'm certainly putting it on my to-watch list.

Cushing and Lee are superb in this, as always. The film isn't too remarkable in other ways if you aren't interested in the history of horror; but it's a joy to watch these two working together.

YES. Watch 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' and 'Last Crusade' (1st and 3rd movies) for sure. The second and fourth are both forgettable, but not *horrific*. Just not as good as the first and third.

The second is wayyyyy before than the fourth

Um, what?

Sorry, I'm a mite out of it, it's Friday night.

Temple of Doom is wayyyyyy better than Crystal Skull. Temple of Doom is IMO unquestionably worth a watch, even if it's not on the level of Raiders. I really like Temple. Crystal Skull, on the other hand, is... not fantastic.

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I wonder what you would make of Legion: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Legion

LMAO, this sounds deliciously crazy. If the execution is half as ~~nonsensical~~ bold as the plot, it must be something I'd enjoy.

Actually, I think it's pretty close to what I was craving here. Except maybe the fact that the level of cheesiness isn't as high as in Hammer stuff.

Unfortunately, the execution is nowhere near insane or skillful enough to make it decent

Uh. Isn't that basically Dogma? Heh.

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