[ SECRET POST #3181 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3181 ⌋

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Comments

[dreemyweird]

"This character should only represent this one specific minority I've chosen for random reasons of my own".

Okay, I guess.

It always baffles me when people feel strongly about the characters' gender, too. Unless gender plays a meaningful role in the narrative, how can it be integral to a character's personality?

[(Anonymous)]

I just don't get why people don't insist on doing a new franchise with a female/non-white secret agent lead instead of complaining that they won't racebend/genderbend an existing character.

[(Anonymous)]

"Unless gender plays a meaningful role in the narrative, how can it be integral to a character's personality?"

I am all for more complex female characters. I'm all for getting rid of what seems to be a quota system in American television where it is three to four guys for every girl or two on a team. I'm all for a genderswapped Doctor, given what has been said about the canonical history and the like. I'm even fine with a genderswapped Sherlock, presuming it is a different take (like House, Elementary, etc.) and not set in the historical time period of the original work.

However, having read all of the James Bond books and having seen all but a couple of the films, I really don't think a genderswapped James Bond would work. Precisely for what you said that I quoted above. I really do feel that they have established that his gender plays a role. So many of the enemy conflicts were like dick measuring contests, and I can't see how the stories would have played out the same if it had been Jasmine Bond instead of James Bond.

(With that being said, bring on a Natasha Romanoff movie or other spy movies with a central female protagonist, and I am would be all over that.)

[(Anonymous)]

Which is funny, because James Bond is to a large extent based on a real WWII secret agent who Ian Fleming knew, named Virginia Hall.

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AYRT

But presumably he changed aspects of her character to create the character of James Bond. Just as genderswapped fic changes the story and the characters from the original work. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a woman in the 1950s would be allowed to act more like James Bond than Agent Carter. I had presumed that each incarnation of Bond in the movies was still supposed to be the same character, despite the change in appearance and mannerisms. I guess if there is a different explanation (such as the Doctor in Doctor Who or such as the title just being a title and various people hold it and choose to call themselves "James Bond" without it being the same person) I could maybe go for it? It would depend on how they wrote and executed it, though.

[(Anonymous)]

I was always under the impression that the Agent Number 007 went along with the code name "James Bond." Kind of like in ALIAS, where you basically have to give up whatever identity you had before--those people had to BECOME Bond.

Of course, you can still run into continuity SNAFUs when you remake the remakes or somesuch.

[(Anonymous)]

"I can't see how the stories would have played out the same if it had been Jasmine Bond instead of James Bond."

not very imaginative, are you?

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AYRT

"Can't see how they would have played out the same" doesn't mean I can't see how they would play out at all. (And I think that expecting that a story would be exactly the same with one of the main factors changed is you lacking imagination, not me. I like genderswaps that explore the differences. That takes more imagination than a rehash.) I think it could be a very interesting story. I don't see it as a James Bond story, though. James Bond is an iconic character with certain aspects of him and his personality fairly set, in my opinion. And I just don't see how that would have worked the same way with a woman instead of a man and how it would be the same character.

I love spy stories. I love spy stories that have a woman as one of the main characters (and/or as the sole protagonist), such as Natasha's story arcs, La Femme Nikita (all incarnations), Alias, etc. I just don't see that as the story that was told through the James Bond works (novels and movies). For all means, do a spin-off of sorts of James Bond with a different 00 character who is a woman. That has the possibility of being great. It wouldn't be the same character or the same stories, though. (Which isn't a bad thing!)

[(Anonymous)]

To me, if I pick up a canon, I'm interested in the characters the way they are presented in the original canon. Sexswap or raceswap them and I'm no longer interested, because they aren't the same characters that initially drew me to the canon. You can't pretend that changing a character's gender or race isn't going to have an effect on the character, and if it doesn't have any effect at all, then... why do it in the first place except to get SJW brownie points?