[ SECRET POST #3201 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3201 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.
[Scream TV series]


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02.
[Erasure/Andy Bell]


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03.


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04.
[AmazingPhil and Danisnotonfire]


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05. [SPOILERS for Man from UNCLE]



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06. [WARNING for rape, war]



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07. [WARNING for rape]



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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

They believe that because they are stupid. Most people understand that being murdered is worse than being raped.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't say that around rape!anon, man.

[dreemyweird]

Must we really make violent crimes into a competition?.. There isn't some sort of objective standard as to which of two horribly vile things is worse.

[cloudtrader]

Objective standard, no, but there is absolutely a cultural ranking of vile things. "Death before dishonor!" versus the U.S. justice system ranking murder but not rape as actionable for bringing in the option of the death penalty.

[dreemyweird]

The law is the law. It is reflective of cultural values, but I don't think the reason behind this particular legislation is a bunch of people literally sitting down and going "murder is objectively more morally reprehensible than rape".

Rape can be remedied to some extent. The victim is still alive and they have often not sustained any grievous physical injuries. Murder can't be fixed in any way, shape, or form. This is just pragmatical reasoning, not a profound moral judgement.

"Death before dishonor" is a deeply personal choice and I think it should remain personal and not subject to judgement. Saying that people who consider rape worse than murder are "stupid" is ridiculous. There's no moral hierarchy here.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish I could agree with you that most people think that. Somehow in our society, rape is held up as the pinnacle of the worst crime one can commit, and the worst sort of violence that can happen to a victim.

[(Anonymous)]

Rape is held as the worst crime someone can commit because there is NEVER a justifiable reason to rape someone.

There are reasons that most people could understand would drive another to murder -- a lot of people, for example, would kill someone who molested their child.

There are circumstances in which killing is justified (self-defense) too, which also makes murder more understandable.

[(Anonymous)]

I know that the definitions of "murder" vary from state to state and from person to person. But generally, it seems to be regarded as this: "Murder is the killing of another person without justification or valid excuse, and it is especially the unlawful killing of another person with malice aforethought."

If someone kills a person who molested their child, it may be considered "justifiable homicide" if it was in the "heat of the moment". It definitely depends on the circumstances.

[(Anonymous)]

That's only first degree murder

Second degree murder doesn't require malicious aforethought.

For example, "a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second-degree murder."

I think a lot of people can more easily imagine themselves getting into a bar fight that leads to a death than raping someone.

Part of it has to do with how easy it can be to kill someone -- one particularly bad swing and they're dead.

Whereas with rape, it takes a concentrated, sustained, and determined mental effort to hurt someone so badly.

Even first degree murder -- I think people can much more readily understand someone who plans out and kills someone who had abused them. There's an element there that people can understand - the abusee wants to make sure their abuser can never hurt them again. But I think the idea of raping someone is utterly foreign to most.

TW: Talk of rape

[(Anonymous)]

You're portraying murder as something which has many different variations, which is true. But rape isn't just someone dragging a stranger into a dark alley - it can be a great deal more complicated.

I have a serious partner or maybe a spouse. We go to have sex. In the middle of it, they ask me to stop for some reason. I don't, maybe only for a minute, maybe for several. That's still rape. It should be considered rape. But it does not require a concentrated, sustained, and determined mental effort.

I am drunk. There is someone else who is drunk. They are passed out. My decisions are impaired and for some reason I believe they want to have sex with me. That is rape. But in this situation, I'm not trying to hurt them. Maybe I think they love me, they want to have sex. It does not require a concentrated, sustained, and determined mental effort.

There are many things that are rape and sexual assault, and not all of them require planning, effort, or intent to harm. I'm not saying it isn't rape or that these people shouldn't deal with the consequences. But I think it's important to make this distinction because rapists aren't all evil-laughing people who just want to hurt others all the time.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with this post. There are different contexts for sexual assault, and while it's important to recognise sexual assault as such in those contexts, it is not reasonable to equate all sexual assaults as the same crime anymore than all homicides.

Re: TW: Talk of rape

[(Anonymous)]

That's the thing isn't it? Rape is usually perpetuated by people close to the victim, not by a stranger in a dark alley. It's still rape however, and it's still wrong.

Re: TW: Talk of rape

[(Anonymous)]

i bet to differ about the stranger thing. even heard about random stalking. never read about serial rapists? is 'random' but not to the rapists...

Re: TW: Talk of rape

[(Anonymous)]

DA Come-by-lately anon, your English is still a work in progress, but I can never make out what your point is either

Re: TW: Talk of rape

[(Anonymous)]

hahaha, you're drunk and need your sleep.

Re: TW: Talk of rape

[(Anonymous)]

It's not even beer-o-clock where I am? But thanks!

[(Anonymous)]

Character A's scenario in the secret is a pretty justifiable one.

[(Anonymous)]

you're joking right?

[(Anonymous)]

And considering that people still find excuses to make Rape morally justified...

[(Anonymous)]

No they don't, dammit. They find excuses to explain away how it wasn't rape. Because the victim really wanted it deep down, or because the rapist couldn't POSSIBLY be that kind of person, etc. Nobody says rape is justified, they SAY IT'S NOT RAPE. That's a different cognitive problem, and as long as you're trying to address the wrong one, you will make no progress.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

I am a rape survivor, and it fucking sucks. But I survived it, by definition, and I am damn glad to be alive. Having been raped is something I live with, but it doesn't define me, it's not the sum total of who I am by a long shot, and to suggest that it is is pretty insulting. What I am is someone who loves nature, writing, music, my friends and family, traveling, my cat, even my job sometimes, etc.

And I couldn't enjoy any of those things if I had been murdered, because my life would have been over. Hell, I couldn't even recover from my rape, I couldn't learn to live with it, I couldn't have talks late into the night with other survivors as we tried to help each other heal.

My rapist took a lot of terrible things from me, but he didn't take everything. Murderers take everything and destroy their victims utterly beyond all hope of recovery.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for sharing that. My younger sister was raped and the effects on her and our family were terrible and are still apparent to a certain extent nearly ten years on but she is making an amazing life for herself. At the risk of making it about me I still have moments when I am devastated afresh by what happened but I'm very sure that if she'd been murdered I'd either be dead as well or institutionlised somewhere.