[ SECRET POST #3201 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3201 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.
[Scream TV series]


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02.
[Erasure/Andy Bell]


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03.


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04.
[AmazingPhil and Danisnotonfire]


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05. [SPOILERS for Man from UNCLE]



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06. [WARNING for rape, war]



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07. [WARNING for rape]



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Comments

[fscom]

06. [WARNING for rape, war]
http://i.imgur.com/PI1jeWs.png

[caerbannog]

...Game of Thrones?????

[(Anonymous)]

Could be any period piece. Though, I can't recall any characters in GoT who married to stop wars (at least that were consummated).

[caerbannog]

I couldn't stomach GoT so I'm very unfamiliar with what happens after book 1 but I was thinking Dany and horse-guy?

_{I'm sure lots of other books or tv shows could fit it though - just my first thought}

[(Anonymous)]

Ramsay Bolton and Sansa Stark. THAT was vile.

[sabotabby]

That'd be my guess. A is Tyrion?

[likeadeuce]

Tyrion didn't have sex w/ Sansa though, it's a thing.

I do think this is hypothetical/extreme example.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd say most of the people in fandom are able to relate to rape, but not necessarily to war.

I'd say this numbing effect is not limited to fandom. I've seen people who don't bat an eye hearing about the deaths of millions, but cry seeing a dog getting rescued from the pound.

[kaijinscendre]

There is actually a reason why that happens! https://foundationbeyondbelief.org/science-of-giving-why-do-we-care-more-about-one-victim-than-thousands/

[(Anonymous)]

They believe that because they are stupid. Most people understand that being murdered is worse than being raped.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't say that around rape!anon, man.

[dreemyweird]

Must we really make violent crimes into a competition?.. There isn't some sort of objective standard as to which of two horribly vile things is worse.

[cloudtrader]

Objective standard, no, but there is absolutely a cultural ranking of vile things. "Death before dishonor!" versus the U.S. justice system ranking murder but not rape as actionable for bringing in the option of the death penalty.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish I could agree with you that most people think that. Somehow in our society, rape is held up as the pinnacle of the worst crime one can commit, and the worst sort of violence that can happen to a victim.

[(Anonymous)]

Rape is held as the worst crime someone can commit because there is NEVER a justifiable reason to rape someone.

There are reasons that most people could understand would drive another to murder -- a lot of people, for example, would kill someone who molested their child.

There are circumstances in which killing is justified (self-defense) too, which also makes murder more understandable.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

I am a rape survivor, and it fucking sucks. But I survived it, by definition, and I am damn glad to be alive. Having been raped is something I live with, but it doesn't define me, it's not the sum total of who I am by a long shot, and to suggest that it is is pretty insulting. What I am is someone who loves nature, writing, music, my friends and family, traveling, my cat, even my job sometimes, etc.

And I couldn't enjoy any of those things if I had been murdered, because my life would have been over. Hell, I couldn't even recover from my rape, I couldn't learn to live with it, I couldn't have talks late into the night with other survivors as we tried to help each other heal.

My rapist took a lot of terrible things from me, but he didn't take everything. Murderers take everything and destroy their victims utterly beyond all hope of recovery.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for sharing that. My younger sister was raped and the effects on her and our family were terrible and are still apparent to a certain extent nearly ten years on but she is making an amazing life for herself. At the risk of making it about me I still have moments when I am devastated afresh by what happened but I'm very sure that if she'd been murdered I'd either be dead as well or institutionlised somewhere.

[(Anonymous)]

Look: a deer! And in such an uncommon color for one!

[(Anonymous)]

Aqua?

[(Anonymous)]

Wrong, but very close.

[(Anonymous)]

Both characters are terrible people, tbh. Just because they don't know it's "bad" doesn't meant it isn't. That's not how it works. And yes, it's always better to look at the root of the problem but shouldn't excuses actions because "they didn't know better".

[(Anonymous)]

Unpopular opinion, but I don't think you can slap modern values re: rape onto historical societies. They didn't even think about it the way we do now. Even the idea that a husband can rape his wife is pretty modern.

You have to look at these sorts of characters and situations through a different lens. That's not to make rape OK, but you just have to see it in context. And that goes for a lot of things that we consider unsavory now which were common back in the day. I don't see them addressed properly very often... it always seems to be about slapping modern values on completely different societies.

[(Anonymous)]

You can certainly slap modern values onto historical societies in fiction when it's written by a modern writer who lives in our world of modern values. The characters don't know about our values, but the writer who created them does and chose to write about a society that doesn't.

Historical writers who wrote about their own society, I agree. You can look at them from a modern standpoint but it's unfair to judge them for not sharing our values.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, Vikings... let's also not forget character C, who gleefully takes part in torturing an innocent old man to death for the lulz, but is just oh-so-quirky and lovable! (granted a lot of people turned against him after S3, but this was back in S2 and he was still really popular)

[(Anonymous)]

Floki? (I'm not in the fandom.)