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fandomsecrets2008-02-11 06:15 pm
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[ SECRET POST #402 ]
⌈ Secret Post #402 ⌋
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 13 pages, 307 secrets from Secret Submission Post #058.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 ] broken links, [ 1 2 3 4 ] not!secrets, [ 1 ] not!fandom, [ 1 2 ] too big, [ 1 ] WTF (but thanks???).
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Tuesday, February 12th, 2008.
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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(Anonymous) 2008-02-12 12:57 am (UTC)(link)Re: 8
And because your comment seemed to imply it, I could honestly care less who voices who. It's a matter of behavior, not OMG HE VOICES ___ AND IS THE BEST EVER.
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With regards to YouTube videos, I don't think he's always very professional about it. When I asked my question (yes, I admit, it was baited, but hear me out), he basically went off on a huge tangent-laden rant (involving group dynamics in Tsubasa, manga versus anime, westerners sexualizing character relationships and other BS), making up stories about meeting famous manga-ka, and generally acting as if he was the authority on the canon of the series in question. Whenever I tried to respond to anything he was saying, he'd listen to the first half and talk over the rest. He basically treated me as if I was some mindless yaoi fanbrat with no basis behind my reasoning. I'm not.
This is what got me the most:
Me: ...I’m sorry, but I’ve read farther in the manga, and it’s pretty much clear at this point that they’re relatively along the lines of soulmates.
Vic: ...Okay? Does that mean they’re screwing each other? I’m being honest, right? We-we’re big people here; that’s pretty much the question. Is—are they—are they sexually involved, and every indication I’ve been given is that they are not.
It's not just about "baww, he didn't think my OTP is canon like I do," it's that he will stick by his views about the subject no matter how much evidence there is to support an alternative opinion, and is willing to make up "evidence" just to support his own.
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(Anonymous) 2008-02-12 03:52 am (UTC)(link)Re: 8
I think that you're looking at this from entirely the wrong viewpoint. Vic was sent to an anime convention to represent less himself, in all honesty, but rather the series that he voices. Because really, most people don't care about Vic as a person, it's more the series that he happens to be involved in, whether it's DNAngel or Tsubasa. In part it's to promote himself, sure, but a convention is a convention; a gathering of people for a specific purpose. Anime conventions are informal as far as conventions go, but they still serve the purpose of being a venue and a way for companies to reach out to the public. Anime conventions are commercial, so when you send a person to represent and promote a product, it's not a good idea to go onto the subject of yaoi. That would be like going to a business meeting and deciding to proclaim that you're gay. It's not good business practice in general to touch on very controversial subjects. The tangent is a way to answer your question without ever coming out and saying it. It's what businessmen and politicians do, for example, when confronted with a question that isn't so comfortable to answer. Of course, then he confronted it directly, so I guess stepping around the issue got tiring.
Based on your questions and his answers, I do believe that the primary video I saw was...well, of you asking him a question. It's the video linked below if you'd like to confirm or deny that, but in any case, I'll just comment on what you stated here. I also don't plan to go into the part about his tangent because that's not really related to the main point here.
I have no problems with yaoi myself and I respect other people's opinions that they believe that two characters are in love. For me, it's all dynamics anyways, so gender hardly matters to me. However, in any case, we're talking about pretty much pornographic material. We can argue all day about how it's the interactions and whatnot, but the bottom line is yaoi is pornographic in nature. Now, it especially gets touchy when two people are the same gender are being proclaimed to be sexually involved with one another because some people just do not like that idea at all. Living in the deep south, I can attest to that. Yet, we aren't talking about real people. We're talking about fictional characters in a fictional series created by people in another country with the series being originally in another language. There is usually a large degree of a series or characters being open to interpretation. Spelling everything out in black and white doesn't make a good story.
However, I will agree with you that in this specific case, they are soulmates. Whether that means sexually or as extremely good friends isn't specified, or, as I can remember, even touched on. Which is probably where his argument came in. They can be soulmates, but soulmates has a meaning of more than a sexual relationship. Also, you have to remember that the original series is Japanese and intended for a Japanese audience. Having known people from Japan and asked them about it, westerners do sexualize character relationships. In a society where women are not socially equal in any idea, a relationship where two men---two equals---are in love, sexually involved, etc. is more meaningful than 'oh lol, porn'.
D: And geeze, I'm really sorry that turned out so long.
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And it would be fine if he left it at that. But he never does.
And there's a big different between coming out and saying he personally doesn't like something and respects that other people do and showing said respect and going on a tangent about how slash(yaoi) is like ruining a work of art. That's disrespectful, and not acceptable, especially if he's going to turn around and ask for respect in return.
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8 OP
(Anonymous) 2008-02-12 04:34 am (UTC)(link)Although finding out that he's not open to consideration that a character might be gay just adds another layer of annoyance on top of it all.
So, yeah, you'll have to excuse me if I think anyone who's willing to rip their panties off for such a douche bag is a mental case. But if it makes you feel any better, though, I haven't trolled a Vic fangirl's without one posting something ridiculous somewhere first.