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[ SECRET POST #3210 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3210 ⌋

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I am not in the fandom, but I think the creators explicitly stated they were meant to be gay? Of course, it doesn't make it -textually- canon, but I well understand where the fandom is coming from.

I tried to look up evidence of this a while back when tumblr was throwing that around and found none. Unless someone else is better at finding credible sources, I'm pretty sue it's made up.

Same. It would be really neat if they were supposed to be gay, but I've tried finding stuff about it and I never managed it. :C It could be I'm looking in the wrong places, though.

Yeah. I mean, if it were true that'd be cool. But considering there is 0 evidence that it's true, and I can't find the interview where Kenneth Branagh supposedly confirmed it, I'm very certain it's just an internet urban legend.

It's like the Loch Ness monster of fandom then.

I think it comes from an interview with the animators. Can't find links either, but I remember that right when the movie came out, a friend of mine who is an animator (and quite homophobic) told me that he had seen an interview when they said that the Chel character had been added when a lot of scenes were already underway due to exec's pressure and that he (my friend) was really glad they did, because if not the movie would be gay.

There's also the fact that the song when they are fighting is a damn Elton John break up love song. So... it is easy to know why the rummor is so persistent.

idk, Chel's plotline made everything more gay for me because !jealousy and !breaking up.

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+2, when the rumours first started I tried googling a leak or tweet and couldn't find anything. Seems to be more hearsay.

All I could dig up was that the movie was supposed to be very, very different from what we got. It was supposed to be darker with a downer ending (the people of El Dorado were saved, but the city itself was destroyed). One of the writers described "Three Kings" as the movie El Dorado was supposed to be. Reaching from that, one might say it was intended for older children/teenagers, and they might have been more ambiguous about Tulio and Miguel's relationship. I'd provide sauce but I forgot to bookmark it and I can't find it anymore.

The other thing I found is that the English subs in other versions of the movie are supposedly super-slashy. People took that as proof that a last minute effort was made to tone down gay understone during recording of the original dub. However, supposedly it was too late for foreign languages releases who received the slashy, uncensored script. I have no idea if any of this is true.

That "kiss" thing drives me crazy. If you actually pay attention to the scene, it's pretty clear what's actually happening is that Tulio and Miguel are simply pushing against each other to get enough momentum to fall over the sides of the cliff. There isn't any "weird pause". Fandom was really reaching.

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it's not the blow job scene?

I also spent a lot of time once trying to find evidence that they were originally meant to be gay and came up with nothing.

But to be fair, reading them as being a couple is pretty damned easy to do. I don't think it's ridiculous to get that impression when watching the film, and fits very easily within the canon. Still, canon is canon, and there's no evidence there to call it so, not even this mysterious Word of God claim.

Yup, that's how I feel. I prefer to think of them as friends with benefits that have ~strong feelings~ for one another but it's all unspoken, then the whole Chel thing happens... (Which pissed me off, thinking the two seemed like a couple. I can't ship the OT3.)

At any rate it isn't canon, but I can see why people ship it. (Not so much why one would insist it's canon.)

I think the thing is that it's really easy to read them as a couple as they have a very close(and awesome) relationship, but as far as I can tell the whole 'they were meant to be gay' thing is a rumour that the internet took to be canon.

Regardless I do ship it(as well as OT3 Miguel/Tulio/Chel) and just enjoy the movie generally because it's good fun.

MTE.

(and I love your Starfire icon.)

Did you skip the entire boat scene

Well, it's certainly easy to read it as subtext, but I've never seen any official confirmation.

It's also very easy to believe it, since it was much more controversial to have openly gay characters in any media whatsoever at the time of its release.

That rumor has been around since ye olde livejournal days. I remember the first time I heard about it was on ship_manifesto. Here's the entry in particular.

I think they were trying to go with really close bromance getting broken up by a girl and different ideas of what they wanted to do.

Tbh it's really easy to see them as a couple going through a break up during that 'Friends Never Say Goodbye' part. Or everything after Miguel caught Tulio and Chel together.

But that is pretty typical with bromance, just look at Turk and JD. They are super close that they admit they are a little married. So I can see Miguel and Tulio like that too, really close friends but it still feels a little awkward when someone new comes in because it changes their dynamic.

I spent some time trying to dig up evidence for that a while ago and this is what I managed to find:

http://www.ew.com/article/2000/02/11/road-el-dorado

One thoroughly un-Disney aspect of this PG-rated film is the brief animated nudity when the Kline and Branagh characters skinny-dip in a hot-spring tub – one of several ambiguously gay moments between the buddies.

”There was a lot of me saying to Kevin, ‘What’s the plan now, darling?”’ says Branagh. ”But they cut the ‘darling’s out, actually. Jeffrey would say, ‘I don’t think you can say ”darling.” I’d say, ‘It’s affectionate.’ He’d say, ‘Yeah, yeah. Different kind of audience.”’

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.206950-The-Road-to-El-Dorado-Movie-Review

In the smaller scheme of things, still, is an aspect that is no less intriguing, as it pertains to the very essence of the character relationships in the film. Although this was in itself an element that was being developed over time as the writing process went on, the earlier versions had much more firmly established Tulio and Miguel as lovers. Yes, you read that right: DreamWorks was not too far off from starring characters that were not only homosexual but also completely non-stereotypical in what was intended as a mainstream movie. With the greater scope that the earliest drafts had built on, that relationship was to have taken on additional depth. Of course, this was all implicit anyways, mainly comprised of pet names ("darling" and "lover", to be precise) and subtle interactions. Once again, the suits fretted, cut the idea and apparently forced some more socially acceptable elements, on the basis that modern audiences were open-minded, "but not that open-minded." Truer words were never spoken. Still, there is a lot in the way of suggestive elements, and many scenes subtly evoke what they were originally going for. Some foreign versions of the film even inadvertently used the older draft in translating the subtitles; so if, say, one saw the movie as distributed in Spain, the subtitles would include the endearments and pet names, even if the actual audio did not. The final version did retain many exchanges that gave light to the relationship, as well as many facial expressions and animations. There are few films for which this holds true, but this is one of the rare examples where the subtext truly is there.

This reviewer doesn't say where they got their info from though, and I never found an original source of it.

So when did this fandom become a legit fandom? I mean, it's everywhere now lol and this shit is old

Makes me happy, but I'm curious - what happened? How?

Tumblr and their obsession with representation. Plus, they believe the rumors that the writers intended them to be gay, so, yeah.

Though, tbf, I also think they did as well, they just never said anything about it. It's about watching the film and inferring it from there, cause...them two's is gay. I mean, very gay for each other, though I will give that Tulio is bi. But Miguel? Nope.

Nostalgia probably factors in a lot. The typical fandom crowd watched this movie in their childhood and it still holds up to them.

It's the same as with any Disney, Dreamworks, and Pixar classics. Not to mention the stuff that had songs in it. The songs were catchy and stay with you forever.

I have old quotes and songs randomly pop up in my head from those movies I haven't seen in years. El Dorado is still a good movie to go back to.

as soon as the kids that watched the movie became old enough to use the internet and were like 'hey yo, remember this..."

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