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I'm saying that the point you made - that emotions can make someone overlook how bad something is - can also apply in the reverse. Someone can be so emotionally attached to something they built up in their minds that they'll hate something that contradicts that image instead of giving it a fair shake on their own merits.

I don't know you, so I can't say that that's what you're doing. I'm just saying that your argument about emotions and quality is really fair.

In my experience, I see a lot of the same things that people claim to hate about the prequel films are also present in the original trilogy. But I recognize that not everyone sees it that way.

Suffice it to say, my motto is to each their own. Trying to tell someone that a movie they like is "bad" is like trying to tell someone who loves peanut butter that it's bad. It's purely a matter of taste and there's no right or wrong answer.

Sorry, that should read

"your argument about emotions and quality ISN'T really fair"

I'm saying that the point you made - that emotions can make someone overlook how bad something is - can also apply in the reverse. Someone can be so emotionally attached to something they built up in their minds that they'll hate something that contradicts that image instead of giving it a fair shake on their own merits.

I agree.

In my experience, I see a lot of the same things that people claim to hate about the prequel films are also present in the original trilogy. But I recognize that not everyone sees it that way.

There's some truth to that. I think some of it probably does come down to things like people preferring the visual style of the prequels, and a lot of it does come down to people being blinded by nostalgia. But I also think that the flaws maybe don't stand out as much because they exist in movies that are really solid from a basic storytelling perspective - compared to the real problems with especially episodes 1 and 2, which perhaps make the problems stand out in greater relief.

Suffice it to say, my motto is to each their own. Trying to tell someone that a movie they like is "bad" is like trying to tell someone who loves peanut butter that it's bad. It's purely a matter of taste and there's no right or wrong answer.

Maybe. I think at the very least, whether or not you can say it's bad as a whole, you can say that certain parts of it are bad. Certain things about it are bad. & I think that's true for Episode 1.

"they exist in movies that are really solid from a basic storytelling perspective - compared to the real problems with especially episodes 1 and 2, which perhaps make the problems stand out in greater relief."

I disagree. From a plot perspective and a story-telling perspective I could nitpick the plots and narratives of the original trilogy as easily as the prequels. I don't, because I like all the films and all films are flawed. But I could. In my opinion, the prequels actually have a more interesting story than the original trilogy.

"Maybe. I think at the very least, whether or not you can say it's bad as a whole, you can say that certain parts of it are bad. Certain things about it are bad. & I think that's true for Episode 1."

It would depend -- a lot of the things that people hate about the PT and think are bad (such as the romance) are things I like and think are good/well-crafted. I just approach it from a different perspective.

No one is "wrong" -- we just have different likes and dislikes. Different opinions.

I disagree. From a plot perspective and a story-telling perspective I could nitpick the plots and narratives of the original trilogy as easily as the prequels. I don't, because I like all the films and all films are flawed. But I could. In my opinion, the prequels actually have a more interesting story than the original trilogy.

This is the point where I'm pretty sure we have actually argued this before (assuming you're the same prequel!anon) so it's probably no point in going over it again.

No one is "wrong" -- we just have different likes and dislikes. Different opinions.

I have no problems with you liking the prequels. I'm just saying that like all films, they're flawed, and they're flawed in certain specific ways that the original films aren't. Obviously that's just an opinion - everything I say is an opinion, I'm not some kind of correct-movie-assertion robot created by God - but I think it's true.

"Obviously that's just an opinion - everything I say is an opinion, I'm not some kind of correct-movie-assertion robot created by God - but I think it's true."

I understand that. But keep in mind if you say something like this:

"I am capable of recognizing when I feel I dislike something in a movie on grounds of taste, and when I am criticizing a specific thing that exists on screen for the role it plays in the film as a work."

"I just think that, to the extent that it is objective, a lot of the criticism is valid IMO."
(I'm presuming this is you? If not, I apologize.)

It sounds as though you're saying that your criticisms ARE objective.

I'm saying that it's fine to criticize or dislike something, but just because you identified things that you think are flawed in the prequels doesn't mean other will agree or that those flaws are objectively there for everyone.

Both of those things are - in my mind - opinions. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough in my phrasing, I have a cold so I'm probably not thinking of things clearly as much as I usually would. Objective is probably not the word that I want to go with.

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