fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #3223 ]

Can I call you Lucy? Because you remind me of a REALLY butthurt person I know named Lucy. She's a Beatles fan and can't stand anyone criticizing John Lennon. Thinks that everyone who dislikes him is wrong, as though there's no legitimate reason to dislike the guy. Which is ridiculous if you know some of the crap Lennon has done.

5/10

...and if you are not trolling then you need help, and pills.

Btw, next time you want to pretend your comments were left by different anons, wait some hours before leaving consecutive comments to inactive threads ;)

Actually, Lucy, I only left the first and third comment. Second one calling you childish wasn't me.

Just got tired to you being so goddamn butthurt about your fucking ship that you bring it up on completely unrelated secrets.

We get it. You're bitter that other ships are more popular. Get over it.

And you might try not to be so fucking ableist.

Actually, dear touchy spirk stan, if there is a butthurt person who is derailing unrelated secrets for their own, personal, agenda that's just you because that comment had none of the business you are talking about and, unlike your incoherent babbling, it was perfectly in topic. That's YOU trying to derail a point and shut down opinions you dislike by personally attacking people for no apparent reason other than you having an OTT knee jerk reaction.

And you might try to fucking stop to police others being anonymous or try to out them when you don't have the guts to post under your own nickname and you are anon-sockpuppeting.

LOL

YOU are the one who brought up your fucking Star Trek ship in a secret about Star Wars. Because you're so very butthurt that people didn't like it. It must be racism! Not the fact that it's poorly written dreck that slaughtered the characters. And, I might add, it's in a reboot that is filled to the gills with racism (Khan whitewashing) and misogyny (fridging female characters, having all women with names appear in their underwear often without their consent, creepy perving on women presented as cool, I could go on.)

I mean, there's a reason when you search "spuhura" on tumblr that the FOURTH fucking blog (behind two automated blogs too) to pop up for it is for jean008. Who is an unbelievable racist, homophobe, and misogynist. So your cries of how racist the people who don't ship your ship are seem kind of hollow when that's the type of person in your fandom.

But, sure, go ahead and equate people who didn't like the horrible writing in your pairing to the racist Star Wars fans who don't even want to see nonwhite people cast. If it makes you feel better that people don't like your ship, go ahead and tell yourself that. Denial suits you.

came here just to see if you replied again, Lol!
kiddo, you doin' the most. You must be delusional because ANYONE who is a bit familiar with the star trek fandom knows about how misogynistic and yes, racist, the spirk fans are about Uhura and even some of your fellow spirk shippers are sick of the bashing. It has been what? 6 years? You guys just can't let it go.
and who you think you're fooling, anyway? You wouldn't be so over the top defensive and butthurt over the first comment of this thread if you spirk shippers were really so innocent, unbiased and without a shipper agenda in your hatred for that ship like you are so desperately trying to pretend that you are.
Spirk fans weren't the only ones who made racist comments about Uhura but you have a guilty conscience, hence your over the top knee jerk reaction over a rather generic comment that didn't even mention your stupid ship. You are doing the most here.

and fyi, my name is not Lucy but I think you are just making up excuses to whine about your 'fandom nemesis' where you actually think they won't read, and shut down opinions that you don't like.
I'd tell you my actual url over tumblr so we could further discuss how butthurt and delusional you're about the spirk fandom on my blog, but I've disabled anonymous messages so you'd have use your nickname and I have a feeling you don't want to do that. Although, you could always do what some of the other old BNF spirk fans I used to follow do and delete some of the most 'compromising' posts from your archive and hope no one finds the reblogs, *wink*

Are you REALLY going to make fun of me for replying when you're continuing this conversation as well? Here's a hint: anything you say about me in regards to THAT clearly applies to you as well.

It's also rather ridiculous that you're accusing others of not being able to let things go when you brought up your unrelated Star Trek shipping bullshit on a Star Wars secret.

Also, saying "Spirk fans made racist/misogynistic comments" as though thousands of people are all the same is a load of bull and you know it. Or I could easily talk about all the racist, homophobic, and misogynistic things Spuhura fans have said. Exhibit A is jean008 who I will again, point out, is one of the most prolific Spuhura fans on tumblr. Given that it is the fourth blog that shows up when you search "spuhura" (behind two automated blogs, no less) that is quite a feat.

And if you think it's just spirk fans and shippers who had a problem with the romance, try again. For example, the top rated comment on this reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/29ixod/zoe_saldana_i_like_being_in_space_because_there/?sort=top) is:

"[–]Norn-Iron 829 points 1 year ago

Quoting Zoe Saldana: "I like being in space because there are better parts for women in space. I don’t have to subject myself to just being the love interest or playing a character that doesn’t feel relevant to the story."
That's exactly what she was in both Star Trek films, an irrelevant love interest. Granted she had a lot more in Avatar, she did end up as the love interest and ultimately, her role could have been done by any of the Navi. Even the trailer for Guardians has this moment between her and Pratt.
I'm not saying she did a bad job in these films and I am really looking forward to Guardians, but she's no Ellen Ripley and I think that's a type of female character I'd love to see come back. No love interest, no relationship, just being a bad ass but also having that feminine/motherly side. She does seem to be very much bad ass in Guardians so we shall see if any relationship pops up between her and Pratt in the film."

And this is the MOST upvoted comment. You can disagree with the reasoning, but don't pretend that criticism is just from one group of people. Because I doubt most redditors are spirk shippers.
Speaking of reddit, you might also want to check Nichelle Nichols' most recent comments because she decidedly had criticism as well.

Also YOU are the one who brought up spirk. I have not in a single one of my responses to you EVER mentioned it. I don't give a fuck what your obsession is with it. So perhaps you should double-check who has an obsession with shipping since you're the one who is bringing them all up in the first place.

Oh, FYI, I'm well aware that Lucy isn't your name. It's pretty obvious what it's referring to so I don't know why you feel the need to inform me of that. And reblog whatever the fuck you want, honey.

yes, I find you amusing and I think anyone who will read this conversation could see why. You're obsessed and a tiny bit insane..

It's also rather ridiculous that you're accusing others of not being able to let things go when you brought up your unrelated Star Trek shipping bullshit on a Star Wars secret.

No one did that. What you call 'unrelated Star Trek shipping bullshit' was a pertinent comment about the fact that BOTH the star trek and star wars fandoms have racist people who don't like to see poc in roles that up that point were default-given to whites only.
You are the one who brings up 'unrelated star trek shipping bullshit', not to mention unrelated bullshit about your 'fandom nemesis'. YOU can't let it go, you just can't.

Yes, it's not just the spirk fans that say racist things about Uhura or dislike S/U, but you don't even seem to believe that since even though the first comment of this thread was generic and didn't even mention your stupid ship, YOU jumped to the conclusion that it was about YOU and must be about YOU and you got super defensive about it as if someone had insulted your mom. It's all on you being butthurt and defensive because it hit a nerve.

and you must be the only person who takes reddit - the site where sockpuppetting is allowed by the rules - so seriously. If anything, I think actual star trek fanboards like trekbbs (one of the mods is my friend and believe me, unlike in other sites, you get banned for sockpuppeting) are a bit more reliable if you really want to see what was the general response to Spock/Uhura among online trek fans (tl dr: it was mostly positive for the trek fans there)
No doubt you're the one who made that petty secret a little while ago about how 'happy' and 'vindicated' you felt when Nichelle Nichols made that comment about S/U over reddit. You're a really sad bitter person. No one joined in your ship hate party, even your fellow spirk fans couldn't avoid to mention the fact that her comment over reddit contradicted the others she's made where she obviously approved the reboot and the pair (and even used tos to justify it), not to mention the appreciation Nimoy himself had expressed more than once. You can't decide to pay attention to what the actors say or consider their opinions 'the final word' only when you get a comment that you like and then tell people 'you know the actor agrees with me..' - that is pathetic.

I mean, your immaturity is glaring throughout.
and let's be real here, if no one cared about Spock/Uhura and it really was as universally disliked as you make it seems that it is, you wouldn't be so bitter and we wouldn't even have this argument right now so give me a break about people being more butthurt that your ship is the most popular, than you are about the other ship being canon instead of yours. Your friends make manips of your ship where they replace Uhura's face with Kirk and then you all collectively pretend that the same scenes that are 'bad writing' for Spock/Uhura are suddenly amazing and 'so cute' if Kirk is in her place *SMDH*. Even the concern trolling about the teacher/student relationship being OOC for Spock is disingenuous because I could link a bunch of fanfictions and fanarts where the spirk fans LOVE to give that dynamic to K/S.
If I were you, also, I wouldn't even try to talk about 'quality blogs' or whose ship has the most problematic fans when a lot of the blogs in the list you get when you search 'spirk' over tumblr do post hate.
ONE bad apple in the fandom of your rival ship doesn't suddenly eliminate a wank in your fandom that is 6 years old. Don't even try.

I get why you're are against the generalizations made about the spirk fans, and I don't think everyone is bad, but it's hard to take you seriously when your hypocrisy is so glaringly obvious and you're doing with another ship everything you accuse people of doing with yours. You're just looking for a fight.

"You're obsessed and a tiny bit insane.."

You realize that you've been replying to all of my comments right? That you've put in as much time and energy into this conversation as me. So to call me insane is not only ableist but hypocritical in the extreme.

Moreover, the initial post was insulting. It compared racist Star Wars fans to people who "hate on the trek reboot for putting Uhura at the same level of Mccoy, and for making her the woman Spock loves (Spock having a girlfriend would alone make some ppl bleed blood from their noses, him kissing a black girl killed racists)"

ignoring the fact that while some of that CAN be explained by racism, NONE of it is inherently racist. TOS always had Kirk, Spock, and McCoy as the trio and so, yes, of course there are going to be fans of McCoy that are disappointed if he's minimized. But I would hazard to guess that they would be equally annoyed if it was Scotty who was promoted in McCoy's place too.

Similarly, MANY people did not like the Spock/Uhura romance. Not because they have an issue with a white man kissing a black woman (for example, if the romance was Kirk/Uhura or McCoy/Uhura) but because it fundamentally changed Spock's character since one of his defining character traits in TOS was his inability to admit to his emotions. A relationship fundamentally changes that aspect of his character and THAT is why fans took issue. Not to mention the fact that there was no build up to the relationship so it couldn't even be seen as a nice character arc for Spock. Instead, they threw one of his most critical characteristics out the window and ignored it.

THAT is what is insulting. Because it's literally equating McCoy fans who were disappointed with the changing dynamics (and would like have been equally disappointed if another white guy like Scotty were promoted instead of Uhura) and people who didn't like how the romance was done to a bunch of twitter racists who haven't even SEEN the movie yet and are saying it's terrible JUST because nonwhite actors were cast.

It's an absolutely ridiculous comparison and it completely trivializes the very real racism being directed at the Star Wars actors.

MY first comment was pointing out the VERY legitimate reasons that people have to dislike the reboot films and to remind you that, for all your talk of how "it took JJ to have the first star wars movie where the protagonist is a woman and her co-protagonist is a man of color" JJ Abrams also introduced a TON of racism and misogyny into the Star Trek universe.

The reddit example shows, by the number of upvotes (hundreds) that it was quite clearly a popular opinion that Zoe Saldana's Uhura was made into too much of a generic love interest role. You can disagree, of course, but even taking into account sockpuppets, don't forget that competing opinions would also have this possibility to boost their points. And, again, you seem to think that all criticism of the romance was done by rival shippers. Reddit is a great example of a place where slash shippers are highly unlikely to be found (given the environment) and there was STILL heavy criticism. And, similarly, you completely ignored the fact that Nichelle Nichols has not spoken 100% positively on the romance.

Also, using ad hominem attacks, such as calling me "immature" does not give your argument any more credence.

Nor did I say that Spock/Uhura was universally disliked. All I said was that other ships were more popular. That in no way implies that I think Spock/Uhura is universally disliked. Are there people that didn't like it such as myself? Yes, but nowhere did I say that I think my opinion applies to everyone.

Moreover, you seem to ignore that A LOT of things people indulge in in fanfiction are things they wouldn't want to see in canon. I, for example, have read quite a few Obi-Wan/Padmé fanfictions but I LOATHE love triangles and would NEVER want to see a hint of that in canon. Using fanfiction as a basis for what people want to see in canon is fundamentally flawed. People who write coffeeshop AUs do not literally want to see their canon turn into a coffee shop story.

And saying it's ONE bad apple is no excuse as I could list multiple blogs that have posted hate. So if you're going to say that bad behavior shouldn't be generalized, you need to apply that standard to ALL ships. You can't dismiss the crap people in your community as a few bad apples and then try to say that all fans of another pairing should be judged by the worst people in the group.

That is absolutely rank hypocrisy.

You say I'm looking for a fight, but here's a simple fact: it takes two to tango. So you might want to look in a mirror if you're on the lookout for people picking fights.

"You realize that you've been replying to all of my comments right?"

I do. In fact, I'm an idiot just like you.

and, sorry but I'm not even reading your long pile of shit from mobile. I think I have reached the max amount of fucks to give for today and you gotta find someone else who still has some and will give you more attention than you already got. Try with the most recent secrets and see if you can derail another one ;)
Good luck.

Okay then. Your ad hominem attacks still aren't a great form of argumentation, I'm sad to inform you. It's also pretty funny that you say I'm derailing because we're literally the only people still discussing this so what's left to derail?

Sorry about your lack of fucks.

btw, hi phene thyla.

So googling "phene thyla" I get this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=phene+thyla.&oq=phene+thyla.&aqs=chrome..69i57.389j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8#q=phene+thyla

Which leads me to this: http://phene-thyla-mine.tumblr.com/

Which has a latest post from: December 14, 2014

Which is almost a year ago...

If you're pissed at what's there go ahead and reblog.

you're one here who went against the rules of this community (http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/profile)
point 6:
"Anonymous comments on secret posts are allowed - as long as they don't randomly become personal attacks. IP addresses will not (usually) be logged, but comments and threads containing random personal attacks or wank can and will be deleted or frozen without warning. Secrets wise: If you make a secret saying that Harry Potter fans annoy you, that's fine. If you make one naming a specific author in Harry Potter fandom and ripping into her as a person, that is not fine."

"If you're pissed at what's there go ahead and reblog."

I could suggest you to do the same with the people you keep mentioning too, instead of cowardly complain about them only where you think they won't read.

Given that the only person I named was jean008 (who is a racist, misogynist, and homophobe) I don't exactly feel bad about that.

If you're talking about Lucy the Beatles' fan comment, that's a little more interesting. Because that's actually in reference to two separate Spuhura fans (one defending John Lennon, the other who has a reference to one of their songs). But it was more of a catch-all reference for the butthurt people in that fandom.

As for reblogging - Nah. I "complained" here because you felt the need to inject Trek ship wank into a Star Wars secret.

I really do find it funny how upset you are at my replies. You keep engaging! As though I don't have a right to post here and challenge the things you're saying. It really is amusing.

baby, just thank me for being the only one who noticed you went against the rules, and that I didn't report your immature ass to the mods like I was supposed to do.

Why would I be thankful?

It really is amusing how arrogant you are. You're lambasting me for breaking the rules but you broke them yourself so you clearly don't care about them at all.

And I'm hardly going to feel deep regret for talking shit about jean008, I hate to inform you. (Actually, no, I don't hate having to inform you of that. I take great joy in it, given what an awful person jean008 is).

As for the Lucy and Beatles fan comment - I hope you realize that it's almost impossible for anyone to have a username come up from googling the information I provided. And that it was referencing two separate people.

If you're regretting not going to the mods earlier, well, that's your problem.

You know no one was forcing you to engage with me, right? I mean, I'm having a blast but you seem to feel that it's immature/bad/pathetic to continue this conversation. So I wonder at your behavior. And laugh at it, I'll admit.

you're an idiot! (and I'm one too because they say 'don't feed the troll' for a reason)

Exhibit A:

jean008 who I will again, point out, is one of the most prolific Spuhura fans on tumblr. Given that it is the fourth blog that shows up when you search "spuhura" (behind two automated blogs, no less) that is quite a feat.

you little, immature, sad bitter person and spirk apologist are claiming that a RACIST S/U hater that all the S/U fans have blocked is 'the most prolific Spuhura fan on tumblr'. You're REALLY ignorant and delusional. This is not even having a shipper agenda: you're just insane and pathetic.

and btw, if S/U fans have blocked you or you have blocked them, you won't see them on the list for sure. In fact, my search results aren't even like yours: everytime I refresh the page I get a different list but for the most part I see the spockuhuralove blog and a some people that seem to be S/U fans. It doesn't list everyone or the most active because if it did some spirk fans would be on that list too since they are obsessed about 'spuhura', Lol. If I search 'spirk' a lot of the most prolific reboot spirk fans aren't even there.
S/U fans don't even seem to have a thing for smush names like spirk fans do so they don't even really use 'spuhura' that much.
And you can even opt out the search engine thing so that they don't index your blog there.

Stop being ridiculous and find a better and more normal hobby.

Er I claimed that jean008 is ONE of the most prolific spuhura fans because they are. Type in Spuhura on the tumblr search bar and this is the fourth blog that shows up. That's not my doing.

Also: more ableism. Yay!

I'm just tired of bad behavior by some being used to generalize the whole. If jean008 shouldn't be used against spuhura fans then spirk fans also have the right to be judged individually on their own merits. That's all I'm saying.

Also, I can't take you insults seriously at all. You're telling me to get a better and more normal hobby, but you're here replying to me. Logic fail?

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