[ SECRET POST #3227 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3227 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Mary McDonnell, Battlestar Galactica, Major Crimes]


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03.
[Deadly Premonition]


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[The Walking Dead, Glenn Rhee]


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[Bill Skarsgård]


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08. http://i.imgur.com/LAq54d4.jpg
[link for random penis]









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Comments

Re: Just leaving this here

[feotakahari]

They come so close to admitting that "masculinity" and "feminity" are arbitrary concepts that different cultures construct in very different ways, and yet they still have to frame it as if men are a distinct group that all their problems can be blamed on. Which is pretty funny for someone named Zach. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that this person posts on 4chan and thinks they're trolling feminists.

Re: Just leaving this here

[(Anonymous)]

that different cultures construct

Feminism 101 here: All cultures are created, enforced and perpetuated my the ruling class of men, so yes men are a distinct group that all their problems can be blamed on.

Re: Just leaving this here

[feotakahari]

"Men" are not a thing. Penises are a thing, but "men" are not a thing. It's like when people try to combat racism while also keeping race alive as a distinction and pretending dark-skinned people are meaningfully different from light-skinned people--all you wind up doing is recreating the old prejudices in new forms.

Re: Just leaving this here

[(Anonymous)]

DA

If men aren't a thing, how do you explain transgender people? Would you tell them they are wrong?

Re: Just leaving this here

[feotakahari]

I feel like this is a failure of the English language. We can all agree that there's such a thing as a male sex, right? And there are people with different mental maps of what their body should be like, which means being trans if your map doesn't match your body.* But that's still about sex, the physical and tangible aspects of a male or female body. What I'm trying to say is that there isn't a constant gender that persists across different cultures.

When I say that men don't exist, what I mean is that the category of "men" as a distinct group doesn't exist. It's the difference between being left-handed and being a left-hander. People who are left-handed didn't go away; we just stopped othering them.

I've never written all this out before, so forgive me if I screwed something up. I guess I'm still figuring some things out. I just hate all this positioning of men and women as opposing and widely differing forces when they're so goddamn similar in their behaviors and attitudes.

* This leads into the argument about whether you can be trans if you don't have dysphoria, but I prefer to stay away from that. I don't see it as my place to argue with any individual about what identity they're "allowed" to claim, although that kind of argument can be unavoidable in the aggregate when you've got shit like race to deal with.

Re: Just leaving this here

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like that ignores the not insignificant portion of the trans population who do have dyphoria but do not necessarily want a penis- for FTM- or a vagina- for MTF. For example, a famous trans woman who does not immediately want vaginoplasty is Caitlyn Jenner. A not insignificant number of people experience dysphoria with what they currently have or the gender they are percieved as, without feeling like they must go all the way to physical surgery everywhere. Many people are content with removing the secondary sex characteristics that cue them visibly as the gender they do not identify with, and adding the ones that cue them visibly as the one they do identify with.

I think you're reducing transgender-ism far too much to purely physical attributes. Imo it's not only physical or only mental. It's both. When FTM want to identify as "a man" or MTF want to not identify as "a man" then for them the concept of "a man" is a thing.

Re: Just leaving this here

[feotakahari]

"A not insignificant number of people experience dysphoria with what they currently have or the gender they are percieved as, without feeling like they must go all the way to physical surgery everywhere. Many people are content with removing the secondary sex characteristics that cue them visibly as the gender they do not identify with, and adding the ones that cue them visibly as the one they do identify with."

On the one hand, you're still talking about the body. Mental mapping is more than genitals, as anyone with a phantom limb will tell you.

On the other hand, people don't exist in a vacuum, and just because a given cultural context isn't natural or inevitable doesn't prevent it from mattering. To consider the obvious cliche, if you're told all your life that women wear dresses and men don't, and you know you're a woman even though no one around you respects that, you may want to wear a pretty dress and be recognized as a woman. But that doesn't make dresses feminine in and of themselves, just signifiers as part of a cultural context. (Men can wear dresses too, after all!)

Re: Just leaving this here

[(Anonymous)]

If men aren't a thing, then, what's the difference between being recognized as a person with a mustache or a man with a mustache? Or a person in a dress or a woman in a dress? Would you tell trans people that there is no difference?

Are women a thing? Would you tell feminists that women aren't a thing?

Re: Just leaving this here

[feotakahari]

For your first paragraph, that can't be answered in a vacuum. It depends on what a "man" or a "woman" means in that specific culture.

For the second paragraph, I wouldn't say that, because American culture has made such a thing of feminity that it's acquired a Frankensteinian unlife. If I were to argue with a feminist about how she was talking about "women," I'd frame it more in terms of not falling into the trap of binary gender.

Re: Just leaving this here

[(Anonymous)]

Where did you take Feminism 101? Greendale Community College?