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[ SECRET POST #3227 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3227 ⌋

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[Mary McDonnell, Battlestar Galactica, Major Crimes]

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[Deadly Premonition]

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[The Walking Dead, Glenn Rhee]

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[Bill Skarsgård]

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08. http://i.imgur.com/LAq54d4.jpg
[link for random penis]

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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/29/time-to-do-away-with-manhood?CMP=fb_gu

you're only marginally more interesting than that radfem a few years ago who posted controversial 2nd-wave feminism clobber quotes then got upset because nobody agreed with them and whined about she was just trying to foster discussion

So? Who cares?

As an adult male person I can't say I know for sure what qualifies a person for "manhood" or what it means, other than in flowery porn where it's a penis, or in contrast to "boy" regarding literal physical age.

I think our generation more than the ones before us have a much more nebulous definition of the idea.

Is there such a thing as masculinity and femininity?

If there is you have to have some kind of concept of 'manhood'.

They come so close to admitting that "masculinity" and "feminity" are arbitrary concepts that different cultures construct in very different ways, and yet they still have to frame it as if men are a distinct group that all their problems can be blamed on. Which is pretty funny for someone named Zach. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that this person posts on 4chan and thinks they're trolling feminists.

that different cultures construct

Feminism 101 here: All cultures are created, enforced and perpetuated my the ruling class of men, so yes men are a distinct group that all their problems can be blamed on.

"Men" are not a thing. Penises are a thing, but "men" are not a thing. It's like when people try to combat racism while also keeping race alive as a distinction and pretending dark-skinned people are meaningfully different from light-skinned people--all you wind up doing is recreating the old prejudices in new forms.

DA

If men aren't a thing, how do you explain transgender people? Would you tell them they are wrong?

I feel like this is a failure of the English language. We can all agree that there's such a thing as a male sex, right? And there are people with different mental maps of what their body should be like, which means being trans if your map doesn't match your body.* But that's still about sex, the physical and tangible aspects of a male or female body. What I'm trying to say is that there isn't a constant gender that persists across different cultures.

When I say that men don't exist, what I mean is that the category of "men" as a distinct group doesn't exist. It's the difference between being left-handed and being a left-hander. People who are left-handed didn't go away; we just stopped othering them.

I've never written all this out before, so forgive me if I screwed something up. I guess I'm still figuring some things out. I just hate all this positioning of men and women as opposing and widely differing forces when they're so goddamn similar in their behaviors and attitudes.

* This leads into the argument about whether you can be trans if you don't have dysphoria, but I prefer to stay away from that. I don't see it as my place to argue with any individual about what identity they're "allowed" to claim, although that kind of argument can be unavoidable in the aggregate when you've got shit like race to deal with.

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Where did you take Feminism 101? Greendale Community College?

Lol

He's got kind of a point. It's not anti-men. It's anti toxic masculinity.

And seriously - masculinity is promoted and pushed on people and pushed as being the best thing ever to a ridiculous degree. I honestly find it boring, but people expect that all men want to be masculine and everyone attracted to men is attracted to masculine men. People harass men who aren't masculine enough, men harass women to prove they are masculine enough... just give it a break already. If you want to be masculine, fine. But don't shove it down everyone's throat and don't act like being masculine makes you superior to women and less masculine men.

everyone attracted to men is attracted to masculine men.

well, i mean... let's not lie to ourselves here

Well this is not technically a given.

no, i agree, it's not technically a given. but if we're talking in broad social generalizations...

I mean, I just don't want us pretending that a preference for masculinity is somehow foisted on women by the patriarchy

Lots of people (men and women) are very attracted to masculinity. Let's not fucking lie about that. Let's not pretend that doesn't exist.

Nobody is pretending that some people aren't attracted to masculinity.

OP was saying people pretend that everyone who likes men likes masculine men and doesn't like nonmasculine men, which is also wrong.

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Nah, not saying people aren't attracted to it. The obviously are. I just don't think an attraction to men equals an attraction to (performed) masculinity by definition, though there is obviously a large overlap.

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AYRT

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All those masculine boy bands. All of them.

Which are really only aimed at young teenage girls. Once you're an adult, you're expected to like "real" men with masculine presentation.

People make fun of the boy band guys for not being masculine enough, and they make fun of girls who like them, too.

Yaaaaawn.

The only thing in this article that is news to me is that the writer is a dude. Women have been saying this stuff for years, but I'm surprised to hear a man getting on-board with it.

Men are gross and treat women badly news at blahblahblah

I hate when people post links, expecting us to randomly click something. Post a damn summary at least.

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