[ SECRET POST #3238 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3238 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[elaminator]

As someone who had mixed feelings about Jar Jar (I didn't loathe him like the majority of the fanbase, but I wasn't exactly fond of him either) I love this theory. It's so well written; clearly a lot of thought went into it. It even seems weirdly probable what with all the 'evidence'.

(...Okay, I use the word evidence lightly, but the clips make sense when you look at them in that context, and it sounds like Lucas did change Jar Jar's character arc. Probably not from this exact route, but I want to believe. It would be kind of epic and hilarious if it were true.)

[diet_poison]

Me too!

[elaminator]

The first time I saw that post on my dash I went, "What the fuck is this? That sounds ridiculous" and I scrolled right past it. I saw it again a bit later and went, "Okay, I'll give it a shot."

I spent wayyyyyy too long going through that post, but the more I read the more it worked for me and the more I liked the idea.

Frankly, I'm also tickled how much the Star Wars fandom has embraced this theory after all the rampant Jar Jar hate over the years. It's amusing to see how quickly opinions can change.

[(Anonymous)]

The big thing to me is that the post explains why people hate him (well, besides the terrible racism) because he's a terrible awful Mary Sue. And what makes a Mary Sue awful is that stuff happens for them for no real reason other than they're special. Wesley Crusher is the only person on the internet who doesn't get addicted to a video games because..... ??? Um, well, because he's Wesley Crusher! That's why!

But you suddenly give Jar Jar a solid reason to have all that stuff happen for him and it takes away the Sue.

[elaminator]

Hmm, you mean because he's constantly fucking up but somehow coming out on top anyway?

I thought a Mary Sue was either a character who was good at everything (Jar Jar doesn't appear to be BUT he does somehow excel despite all odds so I guess that could count?) or perfect and not allowed to have flaws.

IDK if Mary Sue fits into it or not, all I know is that Jar Jar would be a far more interesting character if he had evil ulterior motives the entire time.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh, dumb typo earlier, meant Enterprise not Internet.

To me I've always seen the pure Sue archetype as someone who breaks the established universe rules for no reason other than they're special. When you think about it, most of the things people tend to list off as Sue things are just that. They have unnatural eye color when everyone else has normal eyes. They are the only American at Hogwarts, they're the only good dragon in Middle Earth, etc. But there's not really any good reason for it aside from being special.

Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon bringing Jar Jar with them doesn't make sense. Why? Why would they bring an adorable bumbling idiot along with them? He's dumb and flaily but nothing bad happens to him, while competent characters are getting killed around him. That's breaking the universe's rules to make him special.

But at the same time, as long as there's a solid story behind a character having special powers we'll allow it. Star Trek never explains why Wesley is the only teenager allowed to stroll onto the bridge and sass the captain whenever he wants and so we hate it, we hate it so much. It's not fair that he gets to break the rules and no one else does. But if you had at some point "He gets to break the rules because Picard is being blackmailed." then it's up to the person watching to decide if it's enough explanation or not, but more people will be fine with it because at least there is an explanation.

That's probably, coincidentally, why so many more female characters get accused of Suedom than male, we're so used to The Hero being special that there's only a teenie amount of justifying needed. But because people are already suspicious of a female lead it's much harder to convince them. Think how people are willing to believe that a guy and girl of roughly the same age in a story together are going to get together (because that's what guys and girls DO!) vs. two girls frantically making out and everyone going "How heterosexual and platonic that is. I really don't see lesbians, do you see lesbians? Are you sure you're not reading into it too much? I need more to convince me, it's just such a stretch."

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe the rumors were planted by Disney as a secret plot to get everybody to like Jar Jar?

Not sure if kidding so I'll answer seriously

[elaminator]

Haha, to what purpose, though? It seems a bit late in the game for that. (Not that Disney has had the rights to SW for long, but after all these years getting people to like Jar Jar seems like a pointless affair.)

Right now it looks like Jar Jar won't be in TFA, and as far as I know they haven't released a lot of Jar Jar related merchandise; them wanting to see more merchandise sales is about the only reason I would understand that. (And if they don't have it in the first place, well...)

However, if Jar Jar is secretly in TFA and Disney releases a ton of merchandise for him after that, I'll consider it!

But...Clone wars?

[(Anonymous)]

I never watched the Jar Jar episodes of Clone Wars, but does this theory jive with it or just handwave (Pun intended!) the Clone Wars away?

Re: But...Clone wars?

[elaminator]

I can't remember the details (And I never watched Clone Wars) but Clone Wars was mentioned a couple times in that post; if anything I think Clone Wars meshed well with it. (I seem to recall reading that Jar Jar successfully pretended to be a Jedi at one point.)

Now there was one thing that seemed questionable (the rule of two, though I think there have been one or more exceptions to that), but considering all the other points seem to make sense... It looks more yay then nay from my point of view!