[ SECRET POST #3256 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3256 ⌋

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Comments

Re: controversial/confrontational/hostile/bitter opinions

[(Anonymous)]

IMO pansexual just means you'll fuck transgender people too whereas bisexuals typically won't. I wouldn't necessarily ascribe that to transphobia though, you can't help who you are or aren't attracted to.

Re: controversial/confrontational/hostile/bitter opinions

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt, but I identify as bi and have no problem being with transpeople

Re: controversial/confrontational/hostile/bitter opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Uh... no? How does that even remotely make sense as an argument?

Re: controversial/confrontational/hostile/bitter opinions

[(Anonymous)]

but transgender people aren't a separate gender, though? so "bi" still applies.

Re: controversial/confrontational/hostile/bitter opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Someone needs to show me hard statistics proving bisexually-identified people are overwhelmingly unlikely to not be into trans people, or, more realistically, are less likely to be into trans people than the average straight or gay person (who are not told they are identifying wrong depending on whether they might be into trans people). Otherwise this is just making stuff up.

Re: controversial/confrontational/hostile/bitter opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's an incorrect interpretation of the more likely correct idea that bisexuals are attracted to just men and women (whether cis or trans) while pansexuals are attracted to nonbinary people too.

Re: controversial/confrontational/hostile/bitter opinions

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Frank is skeptical of your categories.

Re: controversial/confrontational/hostile/bitter opinions

[(Anonymous)]

FTW

Re: controversial/confrontational/hostile/bitter opinions

[(Anonymous)]

The idea that bisexuals are "typically" anything, and that in this specific case assuming that their sexuality "typically" excludes trans people comes from a place of biphobia. Not necessaries from the people espousing that viewpoints, because stereotypes about "the other" catch on quick and are hard to squash (Especially when bisexual people who accept trans people as lovers are so keen to prove that they're "not like those other bisexual people" and buy into the stereotype and adopt the new label).

Look, there are lots of heterosexual people who would not date a trans person of the opposite sex, do we need a term for heteros who will? What about lesbians who don't sleep with trans women, do we need a new name for lesbians who do? Gay men who don't ... You see where this goes, right?
Yes, there are probably loads of bi folks who don't sleep with trans people, but this is no more typical than any other sexuality and implying it is comes from the same place as every other stereotype spread by people who don't like a particular group, or don't know enough about the group to recognise it's bullshit.

Men are typically stupid and only care about sex. Bronies are typically creepy and child-molester-y. Women are typically more inclined to child raising and not STEM. Black people are typically more into criminal behaviour. I mean, we've gone all the way to the extreme end, but this all comes from the same "I don't know them well enough, and I don't like them, and I need a reason to distance myself from them and justify disliking them mindset"

Finally, full disclosure I'm not trans so I don't know how this works for real life trans people, but I imagine it must suck to be othered to such a degree that a new word needs to be created for people who will sleep with you. Like a straight man who sleeps with a transwoman is seeing her as a woman which is ideal, but if he starts calling himself something other than heterosexual to include his willingness to fuck you, is that not a little insulting? Like "you're not hetero any more because I don't count as a real woman?". And pansexual in particular seems a nasty one. It literally means anything. "Oh, you're trans? that's cool, I'll sleep with anything. Even you. No, no, no, I don't need to know if you're a trans woman or a trans man, it's all the same to me. You're identity is just trans, and I'll even fuck a trans. I'm Pansexual, remember?" Just a thought.