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I have yet to find a single person whose reason for identifying as pansexual instead of bisexual isn't either biphobic or a reaction to other people's biphobia.

IMO pansexual just means you'll fuck transgender people too whereas bisexuals typically won't. I wouldn't necessarily ascribe that to transphobia though, you can't help who you are or aren't attracted to.

nayrt, but I identify as bi and have no problem being with transpeople

Uh... no? How does that even remotely make sense as an argument?

but transgender people aren't a separate gender, though? so "bi" still applies.

Someone needs to show me hard statistics proving bisexually-identified people are overwhelmingly unlikely to not be into trans people, or, more realistically, are less likely to be into trans people than the average straight or gay person (who are not told they are identifying wrong depending on whether they might be into trans people). Otherwise this is just making stuff up.

I think that's an incorrect interpretation of the more likely correct idea that bisexuals are attracted to just men and women (whether cis or trans) while pansexuals are attracted to nonbinary people too.

Frank is skeptical of your categories.

FTW

The idea that bisexuals are "typically" anything, and that in this specific case assuming that their sexuality "typically" excludes trans people comes from a place of biphobia. Not necessaries from the people espousing that viewpoints, because stereotypes about "the other" catch on quick and are hard to squash (Especially when bisexual people who accept trans people as lovers are so keen to prove that they're "not like those other bisexual people" and buy into the stereotype and adopt the new label).

Look, there are lots of heterosexual people who would not date a trans person of the opposite sex, do we need a term for heteros who will? What about lesbians who don't sleep with trans women, do we need a new name for lesbians who do? Gay men who don't ... You see where this goes, right?
Yes, there are probably loads of bi folks who don't sleep with trans people, but this is no more typical than any other sexuality and implying it is comes from the same place as every other stereotype spread by people who don't like a particular group, or don't know enough about the group to recognise it's bullshit.

Men are typically stupid and only care about sex. Bronies are typically creepy and child-molester-y. Women are typically more inclined to child raising and not STEM. Black people are typically more into criminal behaviour. I mean, we've gone all the way to the extreme end, but this all comes from the same "I don't know them well enough, and I don't like them, and I need a reason to distance myself from them and justify disliking them mindset"

Finally, full disclosure I'm not trans so I don't know how this works for real life trans people, but I imagine it must suck to be othered to such a degree that a new word needs to be created for people who will sleep with you. Like a straight man who sleeps with a transwoman is seeing her as a woman which is ideal, but if he starts calling himself something other than heterosexual to include his willingness to fuck you, is that not a little insulting? Like "you're not hetero any more because I don't count as a real woman?". And pansexual in particular seems a nasty one. It literally means anything. "Oh, you're trans? that's cool, I'll sleep with anything. Even you. No, no, no, I don't need to know if you're a trans woman or a trans man, it's all the same to me. You're identity is just trans, and I'll even fuck a trans. I'm Pansexual, remember?" Just a thought.

Hey man, I'm bisexual and depending on the audience have to call myself pansexual just so people are aware that I find trans people sexually attractive.

Doesn't mean I'm trying to have a special snowflake identity, it just means people use language differently.

NAYRT: That's a fine reason. I'm mostly annoyed by people who call themselves pan *and* follow it by telling bi people how their label is wrong/doesn't mean what it means to them.

Yeah, I know right.

Just because some bi-identified people are sucky transphobes doesn't mean the rest of us should be lumped in with them.

In other words, you occasionally have to identify as pansexual as a response to people's biphobic assumption that bisexuals don't find transgender people attractive.

same

"Why is anyone bisexual when we have pansexuality?" is one reason I'm no longer on tumblr.

Bisexual = bi. Bi = two. Bisxual = two genders. Being attracted to two genders. Men and women. This includes trans men and women.

Pansexual = pan = all of the genders. Being attracted to more than just two genders. Being attracted to people who are agender, identify male some days and female other days, etc.

Back in the day, the catch phrase was "anything that moves". Us bisexual folks will go for anything that moves. Some of us still feel that we're not just limited to "bi = two".

Betcha $5 Anything that Moves is older than biphobic anon.

I moved last month, so I found a photo from the 1983 March on Washington for Gay, Lesbian, and Bi Equal Rights and Liberation. The cis woman is the only person NOT wearing the bi t-shirt.

When the word "bisexual" was originally applied to human sexuality, the theory was that people who were not exclusively homosexual or heterosexual were psychological hermaphrodites. Not to mention the word "pansexual" as originally used by the Freudians involved the theory that all human drives are fundamentally sexual in nature. Then there's "lesbian" to mean "a resident of Lesbos or a follower of Sappho," and the euphemism "gay" which entirely had its roots in the idea that gay men were flamboyantly gender non-conforming.

Or we could just accept what bisexual people have been saying about ourselves since, oh, the 1980s when we first started organizing. After all, we recognized nonbinary gender then and the dictionary still doesn't.

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