[ SECRET POST #3258 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3258 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I think the problem is that the whole concept just falls apart if you think about it.

Like, how the emotions have emotions. Do they have little people in their minds too? How much control do the emotions have over the person? There are just too many questions.

Also, the moral of the story didn't work well in the context. In real life, sadness is important because it can't be avoided and you need to learn to cope with it. But in the movie, Joy spent years as the leader and everything was fine despite Sadness not being allowed to do anything. The only reason things went badly is because Joy was gone and the other emotions weren't able to handle leadership. That's just my take though, because I was not convinced that Sadness was needed at all.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Note how sadness was getting stronger, to the point she could taint the others memories. Joy was (or Riley in abstract) REPRESSING sadness. But repression doesn't actually make anything go away. As a result, Sadness was becoming more and more powerful because she wasn't being expressed properly and she needed to be. The resulting shutdown was a direct result of this. Sadness was clearly necessary.

[(Anonymous)]

The shutdown happened because Joy was gone and the the emotions that were left didn't know what to do. Joy was in charge for years. The conflict started when Sadness wouldn't listen to Joy and interfered with the memories.

I think it's just a very subjective movie. In reality, emotions are triggered by events in your life and how they affect you. In the context of the movie, emotions are caused by little people pressing buttons. Riley's reactions are literally based on which emotion is pushing buttons. Remember the dinner scene where she goes through several moods during her parent's questions? Based on what was shown in the movie, I don't see why Joy couldn't make Riley see the positives in her new home. She did it a few times already, no reason why she couldn't keep it up.

I do think it's a good lesson and that your emotions are equally important but the way the movie tried to show the lesson did not work for me.

[insanenoodlyguy]

The shutdown conditions began when Joy panicked after Sadness began converting memories.

Assuming the emotions are not metaphors for the sake of this argument, yes you saw Joy literally trying to do just that. And we also saw she was FAILING. Temporarily keeping yourself cheerful only works so far and so long. The core body needs what it needs. Riley needed to deal with the fact she was sad about moving. By putting it off, Joy ultimately made Riley a wreck. The emotions step in when it's APPROPRIATE for each feeling to be had (or later, combinations). trying to run things without all the emotions locks up the system, as we saw. Eventually, if Joy had been there and kept sadness from interacting successfully, we'd have seen that happen anyway. Sadness was the only one able to unlock the console because sadness was what Riley needed to feel.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

also sadness can help us feel empathy for other people, caring about their wellbeing. that could have been an interesting take. like if you can't feel sad you are sorta isolating yourself.

[(Anonymous)]

But wasn't that the take the movie took? Like, I feel like the movie showed that pretty explicitly. Sadness was able to understand Bing Bong's sorrow over to losing his wagon while Joy had no idea what to do and Sadness was able to help him move on.

[(Anonymous)]

Sadness can also make people monstrously self-centered, expecting a free pass for all their sucky actions because "I'm depressed."