[ SECRET POST #3258 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3258 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't go as far as calling her a bully but I hated her anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

I was disappointed that she didn't end up choking Sadness. That one was a miserable character who did her best to ruin the movie for me.

[scrubber]

I too was shocked by how fucking annoying Sadness was. Never thought I would trundle out of the theater stanning Joy but Sadness was such a bummer I wanted her to stay in her circle and shut the fuck up.

[(Anonymous)]

Joy isn't a bully. She's overly assertive and learns her lesson.

[philstar22]

The way she treated Sadness in the beginning? That was absolutely bullying. Her thinking she's doing the right thing doesn't make it any less bullying.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I always got the idea that she was trying to do what she thought was best for Riley, which turned out to be wrong. And that was a big point. I don't think we were supposed to approve of her treatment of Sadness.

If we were supposed to root for everything she was doing or she wouldn't have had an epiphany about how wrong she was.

Also a thing to think about is that Joy (and all of Riley's emotions) are the equivalent of 11 year olds. So of course they may not actually know what's best for Riley even if they think they do.

[(Anonymous)]

I saw her as a terminally-stupid scatterbrain who made being depressed look more appealing, ffs.

[(Anonymous)]

But Anon, don't you know that leading women need to smile more? Who were they going to makke the main character? the frumpy miserable woman? Noooo, not in 2015. It's got to be the fucking chirpy pixie shit.

[ibbity]

missed the point of the movie, did we?

[(Anonymous)]

CoughISSUEScough.

[philstar22]

She didn't quite ruin the movie for me. I still enjoyed it, mostly because she was proven wrong in the end. But she was a bully and I did not like her.

[ozaline]

Well yes she was a bully, but she's also an abstraction of a child's thought process, a child who sees being sad as a bad thing. Which even many adults believe.

And the whole point of the movie is learning that that's not true, and that it's okay, and even valuable to feel sadness at times.

So she learns her lesson and stops being a bully.

[dreemyweird]

I haven't actually seen the movie, so correct me if I'm wrong, but they are all literally just anthropomorphic personifications of one person's feelings? And if Joy bullies Sadness, that's... well, that's actually how it works for some people who aren't in a good place emotionally. Very painful to watch, sure, and very unhealthy, but definitely not a reason to hate this particular person's capacity for joy.

I'm not sure a premise like this works if you view every emotion as a person on their own more than a part of the bigger picture.

[ibbity]

I mean, literally the ENTIRE POINT of the movie was that Joy was WRONG and needed to learn to NOT run roughshod over Sadness and to learn to value and respect Sadness. So you're basically upset that a movie whose entire point was for Joy to learn to stop stepping on Sadness, showed her stepping on Sadness at the beginning in order that the viewers could see how she learns that it's wrong and a bad idea to step on Sadness.

[(Anonymous)]

Well yes, cause it got a bit too heavy-handed and so painful to watch.

[(Anonymous)]

If you watch the behind-the-scenes stuff, the filmmakers had a LOT of trouble with Joy. She was apparently the hardest character to do right. For the very first iterations of her, the filmmakers scrapped what they had because she was downright unlikeable and they did call her a bully.

I didn't hate or even dislike her character. I disliked how she treated Sadness at the beginning and for little moments like when Sadness points out the idea of waking up Riley and then Joy suggests it again as her own idea. But, the movie calls her on that and on her earlier behavior. Her development as a character is good.

Anger was definitely my favorite though.

[iceyred]

Anger was really good. "Can I say that word now?"

Disgust was fun too.

[(Anonymous)]

i hated this movie so much, i hated Joy and sadness, i REALLY hated Bing Bong. I just found all of them so grating. I wanted to love this movie because i was like "yay pixar! yay female leads" but it just bored me to misery and i wanted it to end.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the problem is that the whole concept just falls apart if you think about it.

Like, how the emotions have emotions. Do they have little people in their minds too? How much control do the emotions have over the person? There are just too many questions.

Also, the moral of the story didn't work well in the context. In real life, sadness is important because it can't be avoided and you need to learn to cope with it. But in the movie, Joy spent years as the leader and everything was fine despite Sadness not being allowed to do anything. The only reason things went badly is because Joy was gone and the other emotions weren't able to handle leadership. That's just my take though, because I was not convinced that Sadness was needed at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Joy and Sadness are personifications of emotion, not actually people, so they can't really bully each other.

It's like telling yourself you don't want to be sad.

[(Anonymous)]

Same.

I actually first saw the movie in French (I'm a native English speaker with only two semesters of beginner's French college courses under my belt, so I understood precisely zero dialogue,) but I hated her even in a foreign language.

I saw the movie again in English and...I still hated her. In fact, I hated her even more because I could actually understand what was being said.

Her redemption falls flat because so. much. time is devoted to her obliviousness and willful ignorance of the fact that Riley needs all of her emotions to function properly, not just Joy.

[(Anonymous)]

Whereas I hated Sadness for fucking everything up in the first place. The main two characters were pretty polarizing that way.

[(Anonymous)]

People seem to like either Joy or Sadness. I don't know if it means anything but among the people I've spoken with, the optimistic ones tend to like Joy and hate Sadness while the gloomier ones like Sadness and hate Joy. Maybe it's easier to like characters you relate with?

[iggy]

I liked both Joy and Sadness.

Joy really, really reminded me a lot of Woody in the first Toy Story movie. Her emotional journey was even a bit similar. It's interesting though, because while Woody was universally adored, Joy gets a lot of hate...