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I feel though that Rin/Haru shippers wouldn't have turned nearly as shirty if the Mako/Haru shippers hadn't been so obnoxiously smug about their ship being ~totally canon~.

I don't have a horse in this race because I got bored of the show, but I distinctly remember the Mako/Haru side of the fandom being massively smug assholes about their faux-Canon ship right into the Rin/Haru sides faces (and tags).
Rin/Haru fans getting pissed about that was a pretty predictable reaction (and makes up a huge part of the reason why they are so damn salty).

don't forget, the mako/haru side started calling rin/haru abusive halfway through the first season and regularly posted shit in the #rinharu tag...

OH GOD I REMEMBER THIS.

Seriously, RIn/Haru fans were never as bad to Makoto. At worst, they thought he was boring. Mako/Haru fans were constantly calling Rin a "horrible abuser."

Huh. I definitely remember a huge wank fest about Rinharu shippers saying Makoto was abusive and manipulative towards Haru because of those interview quotes about Haru always going along with what Makoto wants or something like that. Granted, that was season1-ish, but it definitely existed.
Seriously, both this fandoms are pretty equal when it comes to awfulness.

I think you could be confused with co-dependent? Either way, Rin and abuse comes up a lot more often than that, an opinion peddled by some BNFs and that's partly why RinHaru people are aggravated and defensive on a regular basis.

Anyway, trying to get the last word is a bad habit and I should stop. Both sides are bad and listing off faults will just lead people to one-up each other and that can go on all day. Though I hope that OP can see why some Rinharu fans might look more angry most of the time.

But honestly, isn't SouRin a fairly big ship? How come they never seem to come up when Rin hate comes up? I was into that for a while but maybe I didn't look around enough.

DA

From ~hearsay~ on the anon meme, I actually learned that some SouRin bnfs are Sousuke stans who don't even like Rin that much, so maybe they're fine with the hate. I think SR is way more popular in Japan than in the West anyway.

That's what I heard too, people don't like Rin in general. I think they just don't understand him, tbh.
It's similar with MakoHaru, actually.
A lot of the MH shippers don't like Haru, at all.
They only ship Makoto with Haru because, I guess, it's easy? And Makoto seems to be so taken with Haru, so they go with it.

According to tumblr, literally every character in Free! is abusive.

Haru doesn't communicate well? He's abusive.
Makoto is a bit smothering? Abusive.
Nagisa is enthusiastic? Abusive and manipulative.
Rin does rival things like the rival of a sports anime is meant to? Abusive.
Rei... actually I haven't seen him called abusive, proof that Rei is the best
Nitori idolizes Rin? He's a STALKER and UNHINGED and ABUSIVE
Momotaro captured a bug? Abusive to animals

etc

Oh god, I literally laughed out loud at this. Good job omg, and thank you.

He was a lot better in Season 2, but in Season 1 he... was borderline abusive at times, especially when he was physically assaulting Haru.

pls, stop

it tru tho

go back to tumblr

OhmyFUCKINGgod we've been OVER THIS so many times. AND BY THE WAY, I'M A MAKOHARU SHIPPER, just so we get this out of the way and I don't get wanked on for being a RinHaru defending their ship.

Here's a straight up DICTIONARY, and fucking "getting out of an abusive situation" help website definition (caps by me for emphasis), of what ABUSE means, you goddamn ignorant turd:

"For behavior between two people to be abusive, these THREE THINGS MUST BE CLEARLY TRUE:
1) one person needs to have power over the other - i.e. something that the other person DEPENDS ON for life, safety or survival, like food, a job, medication, shelter, transportation, etc.
2) the perpetrator needs to gratify a need by intentionally using the victim in a way that significantly harms the victim psychologically, physically, or spiritually beyond debate
3) the victim cannot effectively defend themselves (assert effective boundaries) from the perpetrator, or withdraw.
These three criteria apply to physical, verbal, sexual, and spiritual abuse."

SO let's recap!

1) Does Rin have power over Haru's physical well-being in terms of life support? >> NO!!!

2) Does Rin intentionally damage Haru? >> Jerks shouting that Rin is abusive will argue that yes, he does, but NO! HE DOES NOT! Every time he displays his anger and frustration, it's born on the spot, and is an emotional reaction he can't control. He does not INTENTIONALLY SET OUT TO USE HARU TO GRATIFY HIS NEEDS. That's the difference: it's not what he does, it's in the INTENT of the action. He doesn't plot or make elaborate plans on how to fuck Haru up just so he does what Rin wants! And this will now tie in to the third one, because I know I'll hear the "but Rin told Haru to swim for him!" - yeah, he did, because he thought he needed to beat Haru in order to get over his issues, but here's the thing --->

3) Does Haru not have the opportunity to defend himself, withdraw, or deny Rin? >> Fuuuck no, or rather, YES, HE DOES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES, AND HE USES THEM!!! When Rin tells him to swim for him, Haru retaliates almost immediately and sets his own terms and conditions (the "don't cry if you lose"), as well as removing himself from the intense situation by moving Rin's hand away. This is not the behavior of a person who is suffering from abuse! Also, an abuser who has just been confronted wouldn't just walk away, they'd attempt to retake control of the situation - which Rin does not do!

TL,DR RIN IS NOT ABUSIVE!!!
STOP CONFLATING AGGRESSION BORN OUT OF FRUSTRATION, DEPRESSION AND PAIN WITH ABUSE!!!
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!!

DA

I appreciate your passion and defense of Rin, who is my favorite character by quite a wide margin, but I also think ayrt is either a troll or someone so willfully intent on misunderstanding the story that there's hardly any point in arguing with them.

lamo calm down, your favorite abusive teen boy won't love you back.

Anime fangirls are wild.

Do you also pull out dictionaries when people say that you can't be racist to white people?

...I just said that he was borderline abusive some times in Season 1 when he physically attacked Haru... But let's just ignore that or else righteous rage cannot be justified eh?

you goddamn ignorant turd

Yikes. Let's personally attack a real person and call them a piece of shit for having a slightly unpleasant opinion about a cartoon guy.

aggression != abuse

Bullying, then.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) - 2015-12-06 23:05 (UTC) - Expand

while name calling isn't cool, i do think calling rin abusive is one of those ways fandom uses very serious terms way too lightly.

what do you call actual abuse then...

Borderline abusive, as in he does things like targeting, belittling, harassing, and being violent to a person. Not "he has Haru in a basement and doesn't feed him" abusive.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) - 2015-12-06 17:50 (UTC) - Expand

I agree with this statement. I've been in this fandom since the original preview trailer, and I am very much not a BNF (barely 100 tumblr followers or so). I'm a self-proclaimed multishipper, with almost equal preference for basically all the ships, even the more obscure ones... (What can I say, this show is extremely shippable!) BUT I consider MakoHaru to be my OTP for Free! in general since the very start. I just like the "childhood friends turned lovers" trope. I try to stay comfortably away from all the heat going down in the fandom as much as possible. I prefer a "ship and let ship" attitude and try to surround myself with fellow multishippers as much as possible. I just reblog stuff and have fun reading fics....

But, even I can't help but notice the massive explosions that have been happening from time to time. And it's been especially prevalent most recently, surround first the previews, and now the release of the new Starting Days movie.

Recently there have been several fandom events surrounding a couple of the main ships, MakoHaru, RinHaru, and SouHaru. There have been huge scheduling conflicts over these events, despite - from what I've seen - RinHarus having the first announcements. It seemed like they were being deliberately encroached on, even though the overlap of fans between these ships is not that big and it probably didn't bother many people - it was still pretty rude imo.

And then there was the issue with that one event in the RinHaru fandom, I think it was called Feel My Heart, or something? Like the soundtrack track? And it might not be over yet, IIRC? It was like a "hey let's put together a scrapbook and get some postcards to the creators of the show" drive, and from what I saw they were trying to make it as non-shippy as possible? Just cute things to say "thanks" to the staff, and focusing on the characters and their shared story, the gist I got from it anyway. But shortly after that I saw there was an event in the MakoHaru fandom, which did a similar thing, but for Makoto's birthday? I can't help but question the timing of that event, since it was announced like two weeks after the RinHarus officially started their campaign. Anyway, they put together a box of fanart and messages for Makoto - as in the character, not the people behind it - and sent it in, after having a GoFundMe campaign that demanded something like 200$ to even ship the package??? What the hell costs that much...? And even as an avid MakoHaru shipper myself, I have to say - IT WAS EMBARRASSING and I could NOT bring myself to participate in any shape or form... When a fandom claims it's "for Makoto's birthday", and then decorates the package to the creators of the show with MakoHaru imagery, and includes messages from fans along the lines of, and this is an almost direct quote: "Makoto can come to Canada with Haru and get married! It's legal here!"... I simply have to wonder about the motives and the point of the event, not to mention question the sanity of those people, because I don't think they understand how extremely uncomfortable something like that must sound in Japan... "Mortifying" and "embarrassing" don't begin to cover it. Oh and I don't even want to get into the way they packed that whole box, and made a whole freaking stack of literal confetti trash with those messages. It's like they were aiming to inconvenience the Free! staff as much as possible?... Why?...
But, I got derailed from my original thought, sorry.
What happened next was the RinHarus put up a map where the fans could add their locations. Few days later? MakoHarus do the exact same thing, but ask people to send in messages instead. ...Coincidence? I can't help but doubt it :/

And now the whole Starting Days movie thing...
Now, I really love MakoHaru, their bond is amazing and I'm happy that they're getting a lot of new material... but the things the MH shippers been doing in the RinHaru tags, and on twitter recently? Are just shitty.
I've seen instances of people going after the twitter posters who were disappointed with the movie - not just because of the supposed "lack of RinHaru" - which let's face it, they must have known about and expected, because Rin is in Australia during the novel - but because the movie twisted and mutilated the original material. They were getting heckled and laughed at, total ridicule, because apparently being a RinHaru shipper means that you can't objectively see when a movie is a very bland and very UNfaithful adaptation to an interesting novel. (Which is exactly what it is - weak, bland, cookie-cutter "let's all be friends" plot, and any drama is resolved in 1 minute of screentime.)
And the stuff in the RH tags on tumblr is starting to get a bit awful too. MH shippers coming in and asking things like "So how does it feel to ship a shitty ship, while OUR ship has been happily sailing along for months now?" - leaving aside the fact that this supposed ship involves TWELVE YEAR OLD BOYS. ...And I don't want to get into the whole twitter explosion of "bby!Makoto is such a SINnamon bun" and "Naughtily sinning at 12 already!!"... It's gross and absolutely uncalled for, and I've been actively recoiling from even mentioning anything about MH on my own twitter, because I don't want to be associated with... that.
Sorry, I got completely off track. Just got a lot on my chest...

TL;DR I do think my main fandom, MakoHaru, are the instigators for a lot of the wars, and I seriously can't blame the avid RinHaru shippers for trying to defend themselves :/ I would too, if someone came into my yard and shit on my lawn, just to upset me. Which is exactly what they're doing...

a lot of this is incorrect and all you have to do is google to find out just fyi to anyone reading this wall of text

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