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So our church decided that instead of a normal service today they were going to have the Children's Christmas pageant. It was awful.

Anyway, I expressed the opinion to a friend who doesn't like kids any more than I do that such things should not be in the normal service because no one who isn't a parent should be forced to watch kids do things. If parents want to watch their kids perform, great. If non-parents want to watch kids perform, great. But it should be a separate thing from normal things that everyone attends.

And this person was horrified at this opinion. I don't get it. They don't even like kids. Why is this so awful?

I can't stand churches nor children, and even I think you are the asshole in this. Churches have the integration of all members of the community from all age groups as one of their raison d'etres. Putting up with other people's children is one of the hazards of church life. Also you might want to consider Luke 6:37 and Luke 18:16 too.

actually churches favor the shit out of kids and parents. Most churches do not exactly make adults who are not parents feel welcome.

What kind of churches have you been too? I have never experienced this.

every church I've ever been to has done this. If you've never experienced this we obviously haven't gone to the same churches.

Because it's entitled. Sometimes people have to sit through things that aren't their cup of tea; that's life. You don't deserve special treatment for this one thing.

Because it's an activity meant to be inclusive for the community and the children are its youngest members. It's part of raising those kids right so they embrace the Christian spirit, which you are showing very little of with your poor attitude.

How long is the pageant and did it completely eliminate the normal service? I don't think there's anything wrong with the kids performing for the congregation, and in fact it might be really important to them, but I can see that it would be annoying if it took up literally the entire service.

(Though I find it hard to imagine that it would really take more than 20 minutes, tops, and likely less)

It's church, sweetie, not a Broadway show. It's kind of about community and family.

If it makes you feel better OP, I didn't find anything wrong with what you said. Then again, I've asked for advice on here before and people took the smallest negative detail from what I said and turned the blame on me (mostly anons, though, so it didn't bother me that much).

The church the rest of my family goes to has multiple masses for the holidays, so you can choose whether you'd like to attend the children's mass or the more formal christmas eve mass. It's kind of strange your church was just "oh by the way, we're having the kids pageant today" and didn't have any sort of notification beforehand. Stuff like that needs to be scheduled, you would think. If I had been in your shoes I would have been upset too.

I don't entirely disagree with you, but you're missing the point on what church is about. It's not meant to be Sunday entertainment, it's about the community as a whole where including people is more important than turning out a high quality production. That's why church choirs often don't kick out people who are clearly tone deaf, or why communion isn't limited to people who can get down the aisle quickly and efficiently without holding up the line.

Every church service is voluntary in terms of attendance, you know.

While my initial reaction matched the first few comments, I can't help but remember how my church when I was young had bulletins - leaflets that informed everyone of of events like special services, socials, Pathfinder meetings (church-run Scouts-like program) and such would have had advance notice of something like a children's pageant at least the week prior, because something like that would have been planned.

If your church does have such a leaflet, then either you need to read it better or whoever runs it failed at giving advance notice, or that pageant failed to give advance notice for them to put in the leaflet. If it's either of the latter two, then I think you have grounds to complain about the failure.

Looks like most of the other comments here are negative, OP, but I agree with you. However, I'm presuming they gave advance notice that there'd be a children's service. I would just have skipped it and attended a different one.

How long was this pageant? If it was under half an hour, then I don't exactly think you're opinion is awful, but it does seem a bit on the "bah humbug" side.

If the pageant was longer than that, I agree that it's a kind of annoying choice of event, especially if they just sprung it on attendees, rather than letting them know so they could choose whether or not to skip it.

Gosh some of the responses you're getting. O_o

I agree with you. You are there to worship and learn more about your religion, not sit through a stupid play. This is even worse if there was no warning, so you could have just skipped it if you didn't want to see it.

And those anons mentioning community? Sorry, but not everyone in a community agrees on the same things all the time.

Of course not every member of a community agrees on everything, but in a Christian church, you're NOT just there to "worship and learn more about your religion". Supporting, educating and witnessing other members of your community-- especially children-- is a huge, inextricable part of that. It's a two way street, people don't just show up, get their Jesus on and leave without giving anything back. If you don't want to do that, don't join a church.

Geez. I'm an atheist and even I know this.

Some people just don't care about kids, even if they are part of the same community. God forbid some people not give a shit about the kids.

And you act like every church is the same. Those megachurches are nothing like small churches and so not everyone knows the other attendees. We know nothing about the kind of church the OP goes to and I don't get why people get so up in arms because some church members don't care about kids they probably don't even know or interact with. That's like expecting everyone in a small town where everyone knows everyone to give a shit about the high school football team.

+100000

Look, I don't have kids and I'm not terribly excited at the prospect of childrens pageants either, but this is what you sign up for when you join a church. No, not all churches are exactly alike, but guess what? Nearly all of them have and want families with kids, they have programs for children and they absolutely want to include kids in their worship. BECAUSE THAT'S HOW CHURCHES MAINTAIN AND EXPAND THEIR MEMBERSHIP. There is no mainstream Christian church that doesn't want to be family-friendly.

It's totally fine to not care about kids. But joining a church and then expecting it to keep all their kid-related stuff to one side so it doesn't touch your life at all is like going to the grocery store and getting upset that there's a produce section.

Seriously, if this person wants to be in a church without kids, they can become Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox and become a monk or nun.

But I'm sure it wouldn't have killed the people running the church to print in the bulletin that they were having a pageant instead of service that day so OP could have stayed home that day.

lol I know how churches work, that's why Sunday School exists, and it still amazes me how butthurt people get at people complaining about kids in any capacity. Like, dude, you are so angry right now and so upset on behalf of people who don't know about OP's bitching. The kids are totally fine and probably don't even give a shit.

And your analogy sucks, people expect to endure the produce section at the grocery store, they don't expect having to pretend to care about some dumb kid's pageant.

Edited 2015-12-08 02:01 (UTC)

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