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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-12-14 06:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #3267 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3267 ⌋

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[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-12-15 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
Interesting. I'm not sure how seriously to take this secret. Though it helps to be reminded, as some commenters did, that being a redhead can lead to bullying in the UK. (In the US it's sometimes commented on, but not much more. I've seen far more people complimented for their red hair than made fun of for it.)

I also seriously misread the last part of the secret, thinking you meant it was cringeworthy to wear a wig to cosplay someone redheaded - didn't catch the "primary red" bit.

Interesting secret. Interesting comments. :|a

(Anonymous) 2015-12-15 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
NA I can' take neither the secret nor the comments seriously.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-15 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
OP

I guess the thing that particularly bugs me is a little personal - cosplay what you want and all that, though given that I'm talking about erasure, you can see why I'd mention it in this secret. I'm mostly just irritated that there are a couple of well-known cosplayers who live in my area, who've been a little rude and standoffish towards my group of friends in the past, and both have a track record of doing redhaired characters with fire-engine red hair, or terrible spray jobs, as opposed to slightly more realistic wigs, which they definitely both have the budget for. Not an issue in and of itself, but really irritating when I see people giving them massive props for their pretty odd-looking interpretations online, especially as I've actually done one or two of those costumes myself. It's not really a big deal in general, but...

(Anonymous) 2015-12-15 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I would like to point out that in the UK it's not just a little bit of bullyng. Since the age of 7 I have had people approach me in the street and insult me to my face. Not just other kids but fully grown adult. Two huge hulking men came up to me when I was 12 and started spitting hate and insults at me.

In an interview I was told to dye my hair another colour or I would never find a job, I have been told that redheads should be burned, murdered, shot, sterilised, that I'm an abomination, a genetic freak. In talking about having kids to a friend I mentioned that there was a high chance that my kids will have red hair too. My friend said 'oh I'm so sorry' before realising that I was actually pleased about this. She backtracked fast, but yeah, message received.

It is a long, slow erosion of self esteem. It is constant fear that when you're out and about some chav is going to start something with you because you're a 'ginger'.

In the worst case scenarios, it's the fear of being stabbed or arson attacks at your house. It's young kids committing suicide because they come to hate themselves. All of this is googleable btw, all news reports from the last few years.

One of the scariest things is that people will not intervene because apparently being a redhead is enough to justiy people beating the shit out of you.

So yeah, it's not really the same here as in the US. As OP says, probably not as bad as other forms of insitutionalised prejudice. But for the redheads in the UK, it's very real and it still takes a bloody big toll on your life.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-12-16 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
What's the justification for all that?

(Anonymous) 2015-12-17 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
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That it isn't serious because redheads aren't a minority group who are discriminated against.

I've never personally suffered anything severe, except constant grating against my self-esteem, bolstered by lovely comments from friends and family that if I don't like being bullied, I should just dye my hair. :/
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-12-17 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Isn't that kind of expensive? (I've never done it.)

Also, that sounds like some pretty awful victim blaming, regardless of whether redheads are "really marginalized" or whatever. I know I would resent being told to change my hair color to stop bullying or discrimination.