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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-12-27 03:31 pm

[ SECRET POST #3280 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3280 ⌋

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[personal profile] iggy 2015-12-27 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
The passage is about her face being white with shock. That's a common turn of phrase, not a description of race.

I do think that JKR envisioned Hermione as white, but as that was never mentioned explicitly in the books, it doesn't go against canon to portray her as not. And just because she, twenty years ago, envisioned Hermione as white, doesn't mean she can't now love the idea of her being black.

Add in that Emma Watson's Hermione DOESN'T match the descriptions we have of Hermione in the book, and the upset over her not looking like Watson becomes downright ridiculous.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-27 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
It says "white face".

Not "white with shock".
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[personal profile] iggy 2015-12-27 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
You are desperately reaching. The passage is about being white with shock.

The passage doesn't even make sense within the context of the scene any other way. The mention of a character's race there would be beyond random.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-28 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
The only one reaching here is you. As expected of a SJW.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-28 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
The passage says "Hermione’s white face was sticking out from behind a tree."

You are the one adding the word "shock" to the scene. Therefore you are the one reaching.
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[personal profile] alexi_lupin 2015-12-28 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
To add to your points, in translated edition intro languages without a "white = fear" idiom, the translation says paled or otherwise indicates fear.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-28 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
You mean in the versions where the author's original words don't appear. Okay.
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[personal profile] alexi_lupin 2015-12-28 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
Well the author's original words are ambiguous. I totally believe that JKR imagined Hermione as white, but people are saying it's canon and that people who imagine book Hermione as black are incorrect and that just isn't supported by the text. The text says Hermione is probably, not definitely white, so therefore if you imagine her black or mixed race you're not actually wrong.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-28 09:47 am (UTC)(link)
THEY are reaching? Hahahahahaha. Self reflection is your friend, mate. Faces like the lady on the left DO NOT go "nearly white" however scared they are and whatever metaphor you stretch. Please engage common sense mode. JKR is allowed to retcon, over her arse, make errors and change her mind.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-28 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
Good points. JKR has been trying to be more inclusive in her later books when it comes to sexual orientation, gender expression, race and disability, so her consideration seems genuine.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-28 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
Where do sexual orientation and gender expression come in?