[ SECRET POST #417 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #417 ⌋

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Comments

[haleysings.livejournal.com]

the fact that there was two Tutu secrets today made me SO HAPPY. XD

17. I love you. For MONTHS I've tried to figure out what "PB" means, AND NOW I FINALLY KNOW.

20. ...Talk about a height difference.

21. FOR THE RECORD, FRIENDS, I DIDN'T WRITE THIS SECRET!
That being said, I much prefer 'Duck' to 'Ahiru' (even though I use Ahiru to RP, since most of my friends are used to the Japanese name). I don't really lose respect for people who use Ahiru, but it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine...not only is it a fairytale, it appears to be set in Germany. Why should she keep the Japanese name? I understand that people are used to it because of the fansubs, but griping about how ADV translated the name and "Duck doesn't even sound like a real name!" is sort of silly.
Personally, though, that doesn't bug me as much as people who write fanfiction where Duck calls Rue "Rue-chan" or Fakir says "baka" or the like. That REALLY doesn't make sense to me--it's set in Germany, people! GERMANY! And most of the human characters have european names!
I actually will happily use "chan" and such when the show is set in Japan--since they can have useful information about the relationships...and it disappoints me that there isn't a better way to translate them, but it reeeally doesn't make sense to me when the show has German littered all over the place and the town is based on a real German town.

....tl;dr, sorry. XD;; Pet-peeve of mine. I was starting to think I was the only one.

31. I relate to her a little, too. (As pathetic as most of the characters on the show are, most of them are easy to relate to, because everyone has problems or hard times...some more than others, of course.)

41. ...These secrets are making me hate the show.

43. ...What's the problem with that idea? That's actually one of the reasons I like the show. Television's too obsessed with sex today.

52. O_O how? Seems like someone would notice.

60. LULZ! I do it, too!!! In fact, I've taken to walking around on my tippy toes at times just to pretend I'm dancing around on pointe. I even wear ballet flats and tulle skirts and other ballet-related fashion. XD;;;

67. Maybe you could write fanfic like that, only doing it by creating the backstory of a character whose backstory isn't revealed as much in the original canon? I think that'd be incredibly interesting.

72. I don't like the Edgeworth slash, and I still love Phoenix, so that's not quite true. (That being said? I adore Mia.)

[miss-yuka.livejournal.com]

21. Maybe you should call her 'Ente' then?

[serika-san.livejournal.com]

.....You win. XD

I don't get the name debate at all. Neither is right or wrong and anyone who bothers to try to argue that one is "the" name is too elitest for me to bother listening to. >>;

[haleysings.livejournal.com]

Sigh, Manda, you know me better than that. XD;; I'm not saying people CAN'T use Ahiru, I'm just saying I"m TIRED of people saying I'm/ADV's wrong for using "Duck".

Although, as I told the other commenter below...I actually almost did use Ente for fanfics/RP/etc. XD It actually would've made more sense for me to use that instead of Ahiru for Poly, since I'm clearly making her German...but oh well, such is life.

[sword-and-quill.livejournal.com]

My point being: IT DOESN'T MATTER. XD;;; I don't hear ANY name debates, aside form the wankfest this secret caused.

Honestly, people aren't going to pay that close attention to CARE about little details like that. XD; It's really pointless and nit-picky to worry about something so trivial.

[freakyfanboy.livejournal.com]

XD; See, I've actually seen fans use it as an excuse to NOT BUY THE DVDS. Because the translation is "wrong". That's why I get my panties in a bunch, although admittedly I do get crazy sometimes. XD;

XD; But I care! I'm nit-picky when it comes to my writing! It's not like I'm going to change her name or anything, though, everyone knows her as Ahiru now.

[haleysings.livejournal.com]

I don't, because if Itoh-san wanted her to be Ente, she'd call her Ente (like Kraehe and Autor and all of the other German names in the show XD). Otherwise it ruins the puns.

(Although, honestly? I HAVE been tempted to call her Ente in fanfic before, but then I realized...it's not the original intent. Duck/Ahiru is closer to the original intent.)

I'm not saying you CAN'T call her Ahiru, I just get frustrated when fans say "ADV translated it wrong!" or tell me I'M calling her by the wrong name. That's what I'm complaining about.

[miss-yuka.livejournal.com]

As far as I can see, Ito didn't call her 'Duck' either.

And I didn't think you're telling people what to call her, I just think 'It's set in Germany' is a bad argument against calling her Ahiru.

[hezul.livejournal.com]

Not in the fandom, but I'm reading this as the original intent being for the viewer, regardless of the language they're viewing in, to immediately associate her with the animal. So sure, Ahiru in the Japanese original, but in other languages, it would then go to the language it's being presented in, because that's the one the viewer is going to get the joke right off the bat, no worries about translation. Where if just the German name was used, the viewer might not know the name's meaning and have that "aha!" moment.

At least, I think that's what the argument being made is. :O

[miss-yuka.livejournal.com]

See, I didn't see this argument made at all. I saw 'Duck is better because it's set in Germay', which doesn't make any sense to me >_

[hezul.livejournal.com]

Well, this is a combination of what I saw in this thread and what I've been seeing in others, since I can't resist following translation arguments. >_>

[barteredbride.livejournal.com]

Of course not--she's Japanese. Ito-san calling her "Duck" would be the same as calling her "Ente"--it wrecks the puns and fairytale-style naming. (The same way the DVDs keeping 'Ahiru' would've wrecked it, too. It doesn't matter with informed fans, since the know it means duck, anyway--but not everyone who watches the DVDs know that.)

Well, see, it's a good argument for when I write fanfic, since I actually mention other German cities and even use German words in my fanfic. ^^; Using "Ahiru" wouldn't make any sense for them. I'll still read fanfic that uses 'Ahiru', if that's what the author chooses--it just wouldn't work for my writing at all.

[miss-yuka.livejournal.com]

I know, but I was referring to the fact that haleysings calls her Duck and that's as little the original name as Ente is.

That's what I meant in my first comment. I don't see why Duck is better suited in this case than Ahiru.

[quackingly.livejournal.com]

I know, this is haleysings. I'm using an RP account, because I'm too lazy to sign out. XD;

Duck is better suited because I'm writing in English. Ahiru would be better suited if I was writing in Japanese.
EDIT: That's just MY preference and the way *I* write. I think it's fine for other people Ahiru if they'd like.

[miss-yuka.livejournal.com]

Duck is better suited because I'm writing in English. Ahiru would be better suited if I was writing in Japanese.
That's completely understandable, I just got the impression, that you think Duck is more fitting, since it's set in Germany (from the phrase 'not only is it a fairytale, it appears to be set in Germany. Why should she keep the Japanese name?').

EDIT: That's just MY preference and the way *I* write. I think it's fine for other people Ahiru if they'd like.
I realize that, I'm just being a little nitpicky >.<;;

[freakyfanboy.livejournal.com]

I think "Duck" is more fitting because I'm writing in English and it's not set in Japan. If the show was set in Japan, I'd be using "Ahiru", but since the show is set in Germany her name is being 'translated' for the Japanese. Her "real" name probably is Ente, since all the characters are actually speaking German. (The same way the characters in Beauty and the Beast are really speaking French, or the Nazis in the FMA movie are really speaking German, or when I watch characters in a dub of an anime set in Japan they're still speaking Japanese, it's just being translated into English). ...If that makes sense?

It's fine, I'm being nitpicky, too.

(HaleySings again, BTW.)

[miss-yuka.livejournal.com]

All right, I got it (finally xD), it makes sense now. Thanks for the clarification!

[barteredbride.livejournal.com]

Sure! <3 I'm sorry I didn't explain it very well. XD;

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[lanjelin.livejournal.com]

You could also keep in mind that many, many people on the internet will NOT be from the U.S. and will have their own domestic releases of Princess Tutu. Before today I had no idea she was called anything else but "Ahiru" in any official version.

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[haleysings.livejournal.com]

I'm well aware of that. I'm not saying that Ahiru's WRONG, I'm saying that Duck isn't wrong either. (There's a mentality among some US fans--a small, SMALL group of fans--that the ADV dubs are horribly butchered because they translated her name.)

As I said, I really don't care what someone uses, I don't get really gripy about it until someone starts having Fakir spouting random Japanese. That's when I get frustrated.

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[lanjelin.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I didn't mean to attack you or anything like that - just pointing it out!

People often become very protective about things they love, and tend to prefer it the way they knew it first, I suppose.

I agree on the random Japanese; it's horrible even in series that do take place in Japan. I don't mind certain untranslatable things, like suffixes, though.

In anime/manga like Tutu that doesn't take place in a Japanese type of culture, I'm still on the fence about the suffixes. I mean, it's how the characters in the anime speak, so it doesn't sound wrong, but is it appropriate to the environment? Usually I say that canon tops everything, but it just doesn't always work (like with wtf romanisations).

Most of the time writers use them wrong anyway, so I prefer without.

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[quackingly.livejournal.com]

Yeah. XD; I saw the dub first, so I'm sure that's part of it. And I really do understand that people are used to Ahiru.

With the suffixes, I actually prefer for them to be kept for anime set in Japan.