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When it comes to Finn & Rey I always side eye people who aren't even open to the ship because I can't help but feel the opposition is racially motivated. The novelization makes the feelings a lot clearer in any case and it's clear that he respects her and doesn't see her as a prize but sure - ok.

That argument is invalid when the fandom OTP is an interracial ship.

You don't get it, it's racist because we feel threatened by the idea of a black guy dating a white girl (aka us) so we pair him off with the other guy of color and away from the whiteness.

/sarcasm

lol do people actually think that way because wow

that's quite the jump there. I personally thought their relationship was adorable, but I also didn't think Rey has yet returned any romantic interest. She's off doing more important shit. I'm fairly certain the reaction to Finn's character has been extremely positive, too, so it's a little weird to assume people who don't ship them are racist.

I ship Finn and Rey hard, but I don't believe this is a race thing. (Mostly because, like the first anon said, people have no problem shipping Finn with Poe.)

But I absolutely agree that he respects her and I don't think the movie focuses on his feelings for her anymore than her feelings for him. I just think he's a bit more of an open book.

I agree. I love Rey/Finn, and I think lots of other people do too, and I think it's not a juggernaut pairing because a) fandom loves slash and b) fandom often somewhat eschews the probably-canon het relationship between the two main characters.

I guess it's lucky for me that I like canon romance and I like the friends-to-lovers trope. It makes my ships more likely to happen...

It appears to be the 5th most popular ship for the film (according to AO3). After, of course, Finn/Poe and Kylo/Rey, but also Kylo/Hux and Finn/Poe/Rey. That isn't great, but at least it has over a hundred fics. (lol, I hope so, anyway. Who knows, most those could be tagged Finn/Poe/Rey as well. I've seen a lot of that.)

I do believe that Finn/Rey would be more popular if Finn/Poe hadn't interacted, but that's fandom. (And it isn't like I haven't been there myself. I have lots of slash ships, they just entirely depend on the dynamic, and I prefer Finn and Rey's relationship in this instance.)

fandom often somewhat eschews the probably-canon het relationship between the two main characters

That's true as well. And again, I've been there. There are some canon-het ships that are somewhat popular, but they have to really grab people. (I'd say 'and be the main relationship both characters have', but that's Finn and Rey and they still aren't a popular ship. You never know what's going to be popular or not.)

It makes my ships more likely to happen

Maybe it's because I've so often shipped non-canon pairings that had no real chance of becoming canon, but I don't often mind all that much. I think it smarts more when I ship something I know is a bit more likely, then it doesn't happen anyway. So I have hope for Finn/Rey because I believe there's already a set-up for it (both Leia and Han and Anakin and Padme met in the first film of their trilogies), but again, who knows where they'll go with it from here. We've got two more films.

I do believe that Finn/Rey would be more popular if Finn/Poe hadn't interacted, but that's fandom.

I know slash makes fandom go round and is the biggest category of ships most of the time, but I like that there's so much attention on an interracial couple for this particular movie.

When Scott is glossed over in Teen Wolf fandom despite being the main character and having strong relationships with most of the main cast in favor of two white guys who barely interact, when all the PoC in Avengers and Agents of SHIELD have little fandom presence but again, two white guys who share maybe one line in the first Thor movie are the juggernaut ship, that makes me side-eye fandom, so this is a nice change.

I've so often shipped non-canon pairings that had no real chance of becoming canon, but I don't often mind all that much. I think it smarts more when I ship something I know is a bit more likely, then it doesn't happen anyway

Yes, I feel you on that - speaking as a former Harry/Hermione and Arthur/Morgana shipper! That's probably what turned me into a crack-shipper, now I often go for the hero/villain ships that are never going to happen because at least I'm not deluding myself it'll be canon and then being heartbroken, lol. I'm actually really surprised I'm not a fan of Kylo/Rey because usually I'd be eating that up and yet...

I think it's because he comes off really immature and I don't get his motives and how it is he started off with all the advantages in life and everything handed to him on a silver platter but then ended up in this position. I'm supposed to feel bad for him that he wants to be evil but the Light in him is not being extinguished? Hmm, no, I can't really care too much about his plight!

but I like that there's so much attention on an interracial couple for this particular movie

I don't ship it, but it certainly is a bit of a change, and a nice one.

As for the rest of your comment... I ship Sterek. I do genuinely like their dynamic, even though we don't see much of it. I think Stiles and Scott have the best relationship in the show (hands down), but I still don't ship them. Did ship him with Allison and couldn't see him as anything other than straight, so that's me. However, I think fandom just isn't that interested in Scott in particular, and while I like Scott he isn't in my top three characters. Probably even top four, if I'm being honest.

I was shipping Bucky with Steve in Cap 1, so Steve/Sam didn't catch my interest. However, I adored Fitz/Mack and that's the AOS pairing I feel most passionate about. Don't see the appeal of Clint/Coulson so I can't help you there, but I always thought it started as a 'pairing the spares' thing and blew up from there.

at least I'm not deluding myself it'll be canon and then being heartbroken

Fandom can become really unpleasant when people take that route; they can become nasty when they've been 'proved wrong'. (And you aren't ever truly wrong for liking a pairing, so I don't like that kind of thought.)

Welp, again, I like Kylo a lot and I think it's because he's not one-note. We don't understand fully why he turned to the dark side yet or what he went through, but we get implications that he wants power (admittedly VERY common for bad guys) and we know he has daddy issues. That it itself gives him a bit of distance from the other SW villains, so I look forward to see where they go from that.

because he comes off really immature

That was a conscious decision I think, but it isn't going to work for everyone. I liked it because rarely do you see a villain that doesn't seem to know it all, or at least THINK they know it all, and Kylo seems young and unsure of himself.

I ship Sterek. I do genuinely like their dynamic, even though we don't see much of it.

I hope you don't think I was judging you! It's just so typical of fandom that this would be the dominant OTP, that's all, I find it interesting to look at trends and speculate on why certain things seize the collective consciousness.

I have to confess that I read Sterek - I'm one of those awful people who've never seen the source material but am addicted to fics. It's quite unusual because I wasn't into slash before (I started off het and then femslash, so I guess it's a natural progression to slash now and prob OT3s later), but I enjoy the dynamic between them in fanfic. 'Bickering Reluctant Allies' is my fave trope, so discovering a ship with thousands of fics catering to this was fantastic.

I tried looking for Allison/Lydia since their relationship interested me, but there's only a fraction of fanfic for the ladies, sigh.

Did ship him with Allison and couldn't see him as anything other than straight, so that's me.

The odd thing is that I see a lot of Scott/Alison/Isaac OT3s in the fics I read. Knowing nothing of canon, I've wondered if there's any ~vibes between Scott and Isaac on the show or if making them poly is just to make the writer's life easier so they don't have to deal with secondary ship shenanigans in the background.

However, I adored Fitz/Mack and that's the AOS pairing I feel most passionate about.

They had such a great relationship! I really liked their interactions, and it was funny because the show pushed Fitz/Simmons so hard but I was rooting for Fitz/Mack and Jemma/Bobbi, lol. Quit after season 2, though, my heart wasn't into it anymore.

Fandom can become really unpleasant when people take that route; they can become nasty when they've been 'proved wrong'.

I never understood why fans turn on each other over ships, live and let live, y'know? But sometimes just hearing that someone rooted for the other ship was enough to ruin friendships and instantly start feuds, so damn ridiculous! I was in the SGA fandom back in the day and the whole Sparky vs Sheyla wars was unreal. Joke was on all of us in the end since the writers trolled us epically with neither ship becoming canon and throwing in completely random soapie developments. *eyeroll*

I liked it because rarely do you see a villain that doesn't seem to know it all, or at least THINK they know it all, and Kylo seems young and unsure of himself

Hmm, interesting. I might not agree with you on everything but I'm really enjoying hearing your thoughts because it raises some points I hadn't thought of and makes me re-examine characters and my views on them.

My problem with Kylo was his uncertainty and lack of grandness and stature because I usually adore villains (Loki! Hans Gruber! Hannibal, Scar, Hades...etc. etc.) and he just didn't do it for me, but yeah, he's only a bb!villain who's newly starting out on his Tour of Evil, he isn't yet omnipotent and all-knowing. I can appreciate their originality in creating this type of villain we don't see very often, even if it's not to my taste.

Thanks for indulging me with your comments on this secret, I read F!S all the time but don't normally emerge from the shadows, so this has been lovely ^_^

I hope you don't think I was judging you!

I assumed you were speaking of the fandom at large, but since we were on the topic I figured I'd explain myself, lol. It's definietly an insanely popular pairing for two people who don't have many scenes together, but the only way I know to describe it is that the dynamic works for people. (And, again, the actors have chemistry.)

I'm one of those awful people who've never seen the source material but am addicted to fics

That isn't awful, I just rarely get the urge to do it. Did for H50 though (this was years ago), and it lead to me watching the show. I wasn't disappointed. (At least initially!)

'Bickering Reluctant Allies' is my fave trope

Not even sure I have an all time favorite trope, but if that's yours it makes perfect sense you would be intrigued by Sterek.

I tried looking for Allison/Lydia since their relationship interested me, but there's only a fraction of fanfic for the ladies, sigh.

Allison/Lydia had a great relationship too, it's true. There was never enough of it in the show, but that was kind of a secondary ship for me; one I enjoyed the thought of but never got into deeply because I already shipped Allison with Scott.

The odd thing is that I see a lot of Scott/Alison/Isaac OT3s in the fics I read.

From what we see in canon, it would be easy to imagine Isaac having a crush on Scott. I've never felt vibes other than friendship on Scott's end, but I understand where that pairing comes from. As for the Allison angle, Scott was practically obsessed with Allison for the first two seasons (and they were a canon couple), and in S3 Isaac and Allison hooked up after Scott and Allison broke up. So they are all connected in a way that would make them easily shippable as an OT3. Even though I'm not into that one, I think it makes more sense than a lot of OT3's.

because the show pushed Fitz/Simmons so hard but I was rooting for Fitz/Mack and Jemma/Bobbi

Oh, yea, me too. Initially I thought Fitz/Simmons might be something I could be into, but the longer it went on with Fitz feelings being unreciprocated it became something I didn't want to see in canon. IMO it would've been better if Fitz had moved on and found a romantic relationship with someone else (same for Simmons), but that's just personal preference. Simmons/Bobbi was a great pair too, and about the only person I've ever considered shipping Jemma with. (Besides Jemma/May, but that never took off in fandom and they barely had any scenes, so.)

and the whole Sparky vs Sheyla wars

Haha, I was sitting in a corner shipping Sheppard and McKay, wondering why everyone was so angry. Again, I knew that was never going to be canon, but I accepted it. Don't see the point of fighting over ships, tbh. Even the stuff I hate, I'm not going to bash someone else for liking.

I might not agree with you on everything

That's fine!

but I'm really enjoying hearing your thoughts because it raises some points I hadn't thought of and makes me re-examine characters and my views on them

...Awww. IDK about that, but I'm glad you feel that way! Thanks!

My problem with Kylo was his uncertainty and lack of grandness and stature

See, what you dislike about Kylo is what I like about him, lol. Not that I don't totally dig characters who are confident and grandiose because I find those traits really appealing in villains; it just works, and it can come off as charming and disarming, but yea, like I said, I also think that him being totally opposite of that is good because he isn't a villain we've seen time and time again, and there's plenty of room for him to 'grow'. Most villains (like the ones you mention) don't change too much, but I think Kylo will. (Quite a bit, since as you say, he is a baby villain at this point, just taking his 'first steps'.)

Thanks for indulging me with your comments on this secret, I read F!S all the time but don't normally emerge from the shadows

No problem, anon! I like talking (as you can probably tell), so if you ever want to discuss something you know where to find me! (And you should comment more, if you have something to say! It's fun.)

I definitely noticed something from Finn that could be the beginnings of a crush, though it's early and it's not like either of them had a normal friendship before.

I thought they were cute together, but I still hate romance for the sake of romance. It all depends how it plays out, I'm open to seeing them get together if it feels right.

The OP's position rarely takes the view that the guy needs to see the girl as a prize for it to be a problem. The guy could be respectful as can be but if the girl doesn't show any interest in him until the very moment they get together, usually because the guy does something that impresses her so much she falls in love instantly, it still looks like the writing is making her a prize.

But that's all invalid if the guy's not white because white girls are more privileged than POC guys, so a white girl being a narrative prize for a black guy is just ~making things even~ amirite?

Finn is more privileged than Rey, though. He got a Monopoly token, she didn't.

or maybe we don't want good characters reduced to garbage het romance pieces

I don't understand this complaint. Having two characters get together doesn't erase anything else about their storyline. Or do you think Leia Organa isn't a princess and general who fought bravely for what she believed in in the face of the annihilation of her home...or that Han Solo isn't a rogue smuggler with mad pilot skills who had to make the choice to put the good of the galaxy before his own interests...because they happened to get together at the end of RotJ and had indications of romance before that?

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