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[ SECRET POST #3304 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3304 ⌋

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[Law & Order SVU]

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[Leonardo DiCaprio]

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(Penny Dreadful: Caliban/John Clare)

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[Star Wars]

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[Kumail Nanjiani, The X-Files]

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[Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem]

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[Love Live!]

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[Severus Snape and the Marauders]

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[Sherlock Holmes]

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[Making a Murderer, Dean Strang and Jerry Buting]

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[Colony]

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It's not like Snape was any better.
At least it's implied James got his act together, since Lily would never have married him otherwise. Snape was the one who bullied kids as an adult.

Apples and oranges. Snape was very screwed up emotionally whereas James was the privileged rich popular kid. He's basically Mitt Romney.

All we know about James was stuff from people who he was friends with and people tend to romanticize the dead. When we actually *saw* him in an objective memory we saw him for who he really was.

A brief snapshot of what a person was like as a teenager = grounds to condemn them forever and ever.

Sure, that makes sense. Except not.

I know nothing about Mitt Romney aside from him being a Republican and a presidential candidate in the last American election, but I'm guessing the problem with him is that he was a douchebag as a teenager and continued to be a douchebag into adulthood. James was a douchebag as a teenager, but he must have matured and stopped being a douchebag at some point, otherwise Lily wouldn't have married him.

Snape, on the other hand, was a douchebag right from the beginning (not to mention a creepily obsessive stalker), and never outgrew his douchebaggery.

Also: there's a big difference between a kid bullying another kid (which is what James was), and an adult in a position of authority over kids abusing that authority to make their lives hell (which is what Snape is). Both are bad and wrong, but one is a LOT worse. Being screwed up emotionally is not an excuse to abuse children.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/bulle/2012/05/romney_s_bullying_how_bad_was_the_vicious_incident_reported_by_the_washington_post_.html

As soon as I read this I was reminded of James. And y'know what if Osama bin Laden tried to kill his family I'm sure Mitt would put himself in their way but he's still a douchebag who forcibly cut a gay kid's hair and put his dog on the roof of his car.

Also how did Snape even stalk Lily? The two were best friends for most of their younger years. Snape only became a 'douchebag' due to years of bullying and abuse.

James continued to bully people. Quit fucking saying he grew out of it. He obviously didn't if he was still provoking Petunia and Vernon for kicks.

It seemed like he was mostly flustering Vernon who, by the way is a horrible bigoted person who endorsed bullying himself.

Vernon was more like Mitt Romney than anything ideals-wise and probably money wise considering he seemed pretty well off and successful.

And honestly Vernon is horrible and openly obnoxious enough that I don't think only a horrible bully would enjoy putting him off.

You're so in a rush to paint James as horrible that you're trying to victimise Vernon Dursley, a bully and a bigot himself.

Slow fucking clap.

Um, for kicks? Didn't Vernon patronize him and talk about wizards being unemployed? Whereas James did, what, in return?

You're one of those "Severusmoms", aren't you?

Nope. And I only liked Snape after the last book but even with the fifth book I was like "Wow, James was a huge prick, no wonder Snape hated him."

lol

SA
by which I mean no one believes you

Snape was abusive to children, from a position of authority as a teacher, when he was well into his thirties.

James was a bullying dick to a kid his own age when he was 15.

Even leaving aside any of the Voldemort shit, Snape is not the better person in this equation. Even if you want to say neither of them was good, looking at what we actually see of them in objective text, the guy who's an asshole to someone in his peer group is still less worse than the guy who's an asshole to vulnerable children he's expected to be a caretaker for.

James remained a bully with a hero complex to the end who didn't think things through, continuously at least provoking Vernon and Petunia, becoming part of the Order without even thinking of putting his family somewhere the couldn't be targeted, etc.

provoking Vernon and Petunia

Who were demonstrably provoked in canon by wizards daring to exist. And were grown adults, not children.

Snape deliberately tormented children.

becoming part of the Order without even thinking of putting his family somewhere the couldn't be targeted

His family who, a the time he joined the Order, consisted of Lily, who was a grown adult capable of making her own decisions - and who also decided to join the Order. They had Harry later, and both of them decided to remain in the Order, because strangely enough they thought resisting a genocidal lunatic was important. Futhermore, he did put his family somewhere they couldn't be targeted, under a spell of secrecy meant to protect them from ever being found, and even took reasonable, well-meaning advice not to use the expected person. The only reason Voldemort found them was because they were betrayed.

Snape joined up with the aforementioned genocidal lunatic, and is the only reason Voldemort knew of the prophecy in the first place.

Snape: still not the better person in this equation.

Something I feel needs pointing out:

Snape joined an organization that specifically targeted people like Lily and saw nothing wrong with that, even after Lily outright told him how upsetting that was for her.

James, meanwhile, joined an organization that required him to put his life on the line to protect others, even though he could've easily saved himself as he was A. pureblood, thus not a target, B. rich, so he could've moved away to wait for the fighting to end.

Not to mention that when the Potter family became endangered, Snape's first thought was that this was a good opportunity to get James out of his way to Lily's pants.

Snape joined an organization that specifically targeted people like Lily and saw nothing wrong with that

Snape joined an organization that targeted people like himself, or at least claimed they were inferior. What does that tell you?

That you haven't read the books. Seriously, there's no example anywhere of the Death Eaters targeting halfbloods, what the fuck? Voldemort himself was a halfblood? They weren't seen as great as purebloods, but they were by no means targeted the way muggleborns were targeted. I'm so sick of seeing people act like just because Snape was half of what he was so prejudiced against, this somehow makes his prejudice okay, or more acceptable. No. It's still gross.

Snape joined it because he was looking for acceptance and thought it would impress Lily.

And when Lily was endangered he wanted to protect her.

Snape joined an organization that preyed on people like him who were looking for acceptance and someone to tell them that their feelings of frustration with everything were valid. This is literally how real-world cults get members.

James, yeah, put his life on the line. He had a fucking hero complex. Of course he would. Meanwhile, the smart, non-complex thing to do would be to move his family somewhere not easily found. Which he didn't do. He wanted to eat his cake and have it, too.

lol with the snapefen infestation, I swear to god, good to know you guys will never change. Blaming James now for fighting on the side AGAINST genocide, yeah how horrible of him, he should have kept his head down to stay safe with his family. That's how things get solved. Whereas Snape. poor baby, couldn't help getting involved with the genocide-commiters, he had no way of knowing it was wrong to want to kill an entire group of people for what they were born as. Makes sense. Four for you.

And you don't get much more "not easily found" than a Fidelius Charm, for chrissakes, it's not his fault Wormtail turned out to be a traitor.

He was provoking Vernon and Petunia even while dating Lily. Doesn't sound like he got his act together as much as people think.

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