[ SECRET POST #3309 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3309 ⌋

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Comments

[kaijinscendre]

Why do they compare him to a school shooter?

[(Anonymous)]

OP

The idea is that he's this entitled white boy who murdered his friends because of social ostracising or dissatisfaction or whatever. I just don't think it works when the script and the novelization makes it very obvious that he's been groomed by a creepy sith master (or whatever the hell Snoke is) since he was a young child.

Matt's treatment in the skit just really put me in mind of a bullied kid though, so it was like I could suddenly see where those people were coming from.

[kaijinscendre]

But the whole "socially ostracized and bullied" school shooter is largely a myth. I guess the popular culture still considers it to be true, but it really isn't. Most school shooters have mental issues and anger problems.

And based on what nanslice told me above, it sounds more like Kylo is a religious extremist. You mention grooming by a creepy sith master. That makes sense in a religious setting (the leader grooming his disciples and all that).

[(Anonymous)]

Definitely. That's another reason the "school shooter" reading of Kylo never really worked for me.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with the anger problems (low tolerance to frustration, resorting to violent fantasy to solve one's conflicts etc.) but not so much with blaming school shootings on mental issues. Some perpetrators of targeted violence have narcissistic/paranoid traits at most, but the vast majority do not have any sort of mental disorder. This is also a myth which needs dispelling.

School shooting happen at the end of a process, with revenge against a real or perceived humiliation as an important motivation. Sometimes social isolation and bullying are part of this grudge, not always though. It's more in how the attacker perceives it on the long run.

(I hope you don't mind me barging in to nitpick, haha -- it's just a very complex topic and it needs a lot of breaking down to not fall into stereotypes)

[(Anonymous)]

What would his race have to do with it, especially in a setting where that's basically been shown to be irrelevant? Also, Snoke isn't a Sith, although you're right, that isn't made clear

[(Anonymous)]

Because he killed a bunch of his fellow students while they were at school.

[kaijinscendre]

He is only a school shooter in the most basic of terms (he killed people at a "school"). It sounds more like he was a extremist taking out the enemy of his religion.

[(Anonymous)]

True, and I think that's how Adam Driver defines the character.

But there are other bits and pieces as well: his entitlement issues, his desperation to look/sound/act badass, his frustration when things don't go according to plan, his fetishization of Vader's legacy - they all match the profile of your typical school shooter.

A lot depends on how they fill in his background in the next two films.

[(Anonymous)]

It's implied/shown in limited flashbacks that he killed all of the other New Jedi in training when he was turning to the dark side.