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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-01-25 06:12 pm

[ SECRET POST #3309 ]


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(Anonymous) 2016-01-25 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know anything about this story but isn't fair to say that it's more likely that some of the refugees, just a tiny portion, are not well-off in the head? Kinda like... oh, I dunno... a tiny portion of EVERYONE ELSE?

Mental illness isn't limited to one or some groups. Same thing with general evil/sociopathy. And there are non-Muslims among the refugees. I'm pretty sure that, among the not-so-great bits in the Quran, there is NOT a line that says "go out and kill random people just 'because."

(Anonymous) 2016-01-25 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
#notallmuslims

(Anonymous) 2016-01-26 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
there is NOT a line that says "go out and kill random people just 'because."

But there is specifically a call to kill nonbelievers.

Ibn Ishaq: 992 – “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

(Anonymous) 2016-01-26 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
I thought that was cited to be done only in times of war when the infidels attack them first?

(Anonymous) 2016-01-26 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
I am nayrt, and I have no idea of the context, but I would say that if what you've cited is true "only in times of war when the infidels attack them first", there is still a lot of wiggle room in that statement. "Times of war" doesn't necessarily need to be a specifically declared war, but could probably be phrased as upheaval or social dissent. "Infidels attack them first" could easily be parsed as unbelievers who are attacking or not respecting their religious belief, or are blasphemous, etc. etc.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-26 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
Google sexual assault and refugee centers, Sweden, Germany, Denmark, the country doesn't matter. The PTBs are now thinking they need to 'educate' muslim men that western women aren't fresh meat for the taking. They're also telling women who work or live anywhere near the resettlement areas to modify their dress and behaviors to make themselves less of a target.

(Anonymous) 2016-01-26 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Jfc
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[personal profile] ceebeegee 2016-01-26 07:23 am (UTC)(link)
They're also telling women who work or live anywhere near the resettlement areas to modify their dress and behaviors to make themselves less of a target.

Are you fucking serious? Can I have a cite please, before my head explodes?!

(Anonymous) 2016-01-26 01:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Note: I just catch the occasional headlines, but this is what a couple of minutes of search engine use turned up.

Teaching Western Culture: (Search term: refugees to be offered rape culture training)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html?_r=0

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/norway-teaching-refugees-about-sexual-consent-a6780536.html

search term germany women should dress modestly around refugees

http://www.thelocal.de/20150626/refugee-school-calls-for-uniform-modesty

http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/01/mayor-reker-theres-no-evidence-that-the-molesters-were-refugees-and-besides-women-should-stay-away-from-them/

(Minus Germany)
http://www.weaselzippers.us/234816-finnish-school-advises-women-to-dress-modestly-to-avoid-offending-muslim-refugees/
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[personal profile] hwc 2016-01-26 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
As someone who lives in Germany and a place where we get a lot of refugees: no one has told us to modify the way we dress or behave. I can't speak for other countries and maybe there have been isolated cases in Germany I don't know about, but it's definitely not a thing here the way AYRT makes it sound.

The only thing I have heard about anything close to this happening here in Germany would be Cologne's mayor comments, and while those were certainly stupid and sexist, they weren't about refugees. One of the links anon above posted are about Reker's comments, but they were translated wrong. Reker said to keep an arm's length between you and strangers, not foreigners. And the "behavioural regulations", which the article makes out to be some sort of compulsory code of conduct, are just tips posted on the city's website for girls on how to stay safe at a party or during a night out (explaining date rape drugs, how to get home safely, how to get a taxi, etc.)

(Anonymous) 2016-01-26 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
It's not mental illness, it's incompatible socialization. Where these men are from, unaccompanied women and those in normal western clothing are whores. They aren't modifying their behaviour now that they're in the west.