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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-01-25 06:12 pm

[ SECRET POST #3309 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3309 ⌋

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Re: TW: Rape mention

(Anonymous) 2016-01-26 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
So what do we do? Let them all in, and the ones that commit rapes we send back? That choice to ignore the risk lead to a fucking rape. Sure, we then know he's a bad one and can punish him (If we can find him and convict him) but that is still a woman who has been violated because we chose to let a rapist in the country.

Re: TW: Rape mention

(Anonymous) 2016-01-26 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
You're being very creative with your interpretation of my comment. People who commit crimes should be punished. You can't punish someone preemptively before they've committed a crime on the basis that they might do it.

Far more non-refugees commit rapes than refugees. What should we do about that? Separate men and women entirely? Then separate all women from each other because women can be rapists too? Your logic is faulty.

It's a shitty world but do you honestly think it would be better if we refused people aid on the basis that there's a small chance they might potentially be a rapist.
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Re: TW: Rape mention

[personal profile] philstar22 2016-01-26 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
This so much. There is always going to be a risk of crime. Always. Non-refugees commit more crimes, including rape, than refugees. When someone actually commits a crime we should punish them. But not pre-emptively. Not pre-emptively punishing does mean we take on a level of risk, but that risk is still the morally right choice when compared to the possibility of punishing someone for something they didn't do.

Re: TW: Rape mention

(Anonymous) 2016-01-26 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this is my problem with it too.

And I'm uncomfortable with the idea that women are again, as always, expected to shut up and mutely accept this increased danger to their own well-being, with a smile, for the good of others.

I DO believe that taking in refugees is the right thing to do. But I would like to see a hell of a lot more discussion and just plain acknowledgement of what we're asking women to agree to, and of what women are agreeing to, despite the danger to themselves, because it's the right thing to do.

Re: TW: Rape mention

(Anonymous) 2016-01-26 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi, I'm a woman and I've read this comment about ten times, I'm not sure what I'm being asked to agree to? Can you clarify please? I promise I'm not trolling, I've just been kinda out of the news loop for a while.

Re: TW: Rape mention

(Anonymous) 2016-01-27 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
That we will get more raped and sexually harassed. Because, y'know, only refugees do that. White guys neeeever do anything like that!

Re: TW: Rape mention

(Anonymous) 2016-01-27 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Statistically speaking I am, and always have been, in hell of a lot more danger from non-refugee men than refugee men.