[ SECRET POST #3311 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3311 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Look, just because Snape didn't grow up and get over being a bully doesn't mean nobody else cando so.

[diet_poison]

Was Snape even a bully as a teen? (Honest question.) He called Lily a mudblood once, which is an ass thing to do, but bullying to me implies a pattern, and his interactions with her weren't portrayed that way at all.

[(Anonymous)]

According to Lily he also called everyone of her birth Mudblood. And we know of at least one incident where Mulciber and Avery did dark magic on a classmate and Snape handwaved it as "just a laugh".

[diet_poison]

So he was also an asshole to lots of people other than just Lily.

I fail to see how this is bullying though? Snape was absolutely a bully as an adult, but isolated incidents of being a) racist in general and b) failing to call out someone else's bad behavior doesn't really create a pattern of bullying imo so I still don't see evidence he was a bully as a teen. (He may have been, I just don't think it was written into the books)

[(Anonymous)]

They couldn't have been that isolated, he did wind up joining the racist terror gang at 17 @ the latest. which is kinda the ultimate example of bullying I would say. and we know it was through the friends he's shown with in 5th year, Mulciber and Avery. Much of Draco's bullying is in the way he goes around spewing "Mudblood" all the time, I don't see why Snape would be exempt from that same standard -- also, could explain why he always looks the other way when Draco does shit like that even when Draco does it right in front of him.

[diet_poison]

Ok, I kinda feel like this is going to just go in circles, because you're taking the angle that 1. Snape is a douche, which I don't disagree with at all, and that 2. being a douche = bullying, which I do disagree with. This is from my perspective basically becoming a pedantic argument about the definition of "bullying", which I think has to mean a pattern of targeted behavior towards an individual or group intended to humiliate or control. Enabling bullying and expressing racist views are very bad behavior but they're categorically distinct from bullying.

You could argue that Death Eaters as a whole are bullies and I'd agree, but to talk about Snape's role in being a Death Eater bully I'd have to analyze his behavior while he was a Death Eater. I don't think we actually see much of that in the narrative?

I want to be really clear here: while I do think Snape is a nuanced character, I am in no way intending to minimize any of his bad behavior (or to deny that he WAS a bully as a teacher at Hogwarts which he definitely was). My stance has to do with the word "bully" and the fact that I think it's becoming one of those words that's often misused. I want to only use it when it actually applies by definition and not to describe bad behavior in general.

[(Anonymous)]

DA here, and this is sorta late and probably won't be seen, but anyway. I think the word teenage Snape is known to use against other students, "Mudblood", is why his behavior goes beyond just expressing racist views. In the real world, even (most) people who will express racist views know to avoid saying the n-word publicly. It's a word that through historical significance and connotations is meant to oppress. "Mudblood" is intended to fill a similar role in the fictional context of the HP world, and I would absolutely classify that as a pattern of targeted behavior toward a group intended to humiliate, if not control.