[ SECRET POST #3324 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3324 ⌋

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[Dishonored]


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[Kung Fu Panda]


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[Music video: Poets of the Fall, "Daze" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di7NMssrqsE)]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

How many Moors, North Africans, and Arabs should a work set in medieval Finland be required to have?

[(Anonymous)]

If you choose to set it in Finland, people are just going to say you chose that setting so you could accurately get away with not having POC.

[(Anonymous)]

So there are no interesting stories to be told about Finland?

[feotakahari]

I have never seen anyone criticize the racial dynamics of How to Train Your Dragon. Take that in whatever direction you want.

[(Anonymous)]

Well I'm pretty sure the subtext of this entire conversation is Frozen, for whatever that's worth.

[(Anonymous)]

Is this there part where I get to bitch about how areas known to have a history of considerable Sami population also tend to be inhibited by people who are notably shorter than the national average and tend towards a darker complexion than the rest of the country? And how you can sometimes tell Sami ancestry from looking at somebody's face?

Because even if I hate all the squeeing about POC because that's such an incredibly American way to talk about things, I'd still like to see a dashing Disney love interest who's short and narrow-eyed and talking a non-standard dialect.

[(Anonymous)]

Why do people keep on claiming that? Yes, Sami might have some distinctive facial features, but they aren't that different from the general population.

http://www.samediggi.fi/nuorat/images/Kuvat2014/yhteiskuva2.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I'm of assimilated Sami ancestry; I'm personally familiar with how easily a those things can be ignored. I was nearly adult when it surfaced that my parents' grandparents used to speak Sami around the house, and that that applied for most of my friends and classmates as well. No, not all Sami look like the racist charicatures from the fifties, but I see shades of them still in the people whose ancestry is less than 100% complete Majority Population. It's no coincidence that we're all so much shorter, that so many of us are dark-haired, and it becomes really visible once you realise what you're looking for.

And I think it would've been really refreshing to see those things acknowledged, even though I'm fully aware that Disney don't give a whit about minority representation in tiny Nordic countries.

[(Anonymous)]

It's funny: I watched that movie for the very first time the other night and all I could think is: wtf? Why do the Norse have Scottish accents but the boy has a U.S. flat Midwestern accent and the girl a SoCal one? So weird!

[(Anonymous)]

I hate that fucking film and that's one of the main reasons for it. But it's all over Western animation when you look for it. Aladdin is probably the worst one.

[(Anonymous)]

I never once spoke to stories being "required" to have POC. I don't think any story is required to have anyone. The point is that if there IS a POC or a leading woman, THAT is not necessarily unrealistic.

You're asking how many non-white people would be in Medieval Finland? Well, you're going to have foreign merchants trading for furs and fish. You're going to have missionaries and clergy in large centers. One of the most famous records of medieval Scandinavia and the Vikings came from Ahmad ibn Fadlan, after all. Scandinavia and Finland were trading with these people since before the Viking Age.

Do you HAVE to feature these people? No, do what the fuck you want. If you are writing about a major city and include trade and church and all your faces are lily white? We're starting to get a tad suspicious on accounts of "historical accuracy". And if someone else has a story featuring an Arab or North African in medieval Finland and you say "that's just PC pandering" then you're the one who could use a history lesson or two.

[(Anonymous)]

What I want is, I want for everyone to be able to write the stories that they want to write and find interesting, and I want a system that doesn't over-privilege white creators or subjects and that allows POC creators and POC stories to get told in equal amounts. And personally I want to read those stories.

What I don't want is a witch hunt against anyone who is telling stories that don't include POC. And don't say for a second that's never happened.

[(Anonymous)]

You seem intent on putting me on a side in this issue that I never claimed to be on. You clearly have an agenda in this argument that I do not. What I actually care about is history, and what pisses me off is bullshit claims about history that are agenda or bias-driven. I think people are full of shit when they try to claim that racism didn't exist in medieval times and every third princess in England was a black woman, and I think people who claim POC were nonexistent and women did nothing in medieval times are full of shit, too. The problem is, one of these sides is reflected far more often in media.

I don't really care what people write fantasy stories about. And I don't think every medieval historical novel must include a sword-fighting woman and a POC. I only care when people justify their complete lack of POC and women with arguments that pose as historical but are not actually historical.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree entirely with your historical claims, and if that's all that you're saying, fine.

I think there's an obvious sense in which those historical claims impinge on various arguments about media, and in this context, that's what I'm arguing against. But if that's not what you're on, fair enough.

[(Anonymous)]

>fins
>white

[(Anonymous)]

No, they are usually grey and spiky, but we are not talking about fish here.