[ SECRET POST #3328 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3328 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think it has a lot to do with how young fandom is skewing right now. Whereas fandom was once a hobby that was mostly with 20s-30s and on because back in the 90s-early 00s there weren't smartphones, and internet was much, much slower. Back then computers were more expensive, there was a lot of "stranger danger' mystery on the net and most people never wanted to share anything about themselves. All the kids who got on would get booted from fandom spaces if they didn't pretend to be 18, so they had to behave or get kicked out. Fandom had a history of being worried that they'd get taken to court, so they kept it on the down low. Notice how the disclaimers went out of vogue and how the people are even going at the creators and actors on twitter.

So, you have all these very young (often as low as 13) people being introduced to complex things like feminism, but without the actual framework or nuance. So they rail at everything because they're tiny and feel powerless and unimportant, and are probably friendless, failing their classes and possibly being bullied, otherwise they'd be doing something else other than being on tumblr 24/7. And tumblr for some reason values rage. Calm, reasonable people don't get the kind of followers and hits the preformative frothing with joy or screaming with anger sorts get. So people put on a show to get attention, trade in actual valuable discussion for screaming memes like "you're just a pedophile supporter!" or "male tears!!" or "cis scum!!" or "kill all men!"

And the success of people being shut down in fandoms like Steven Universe are making them scream "this fandom is for CHILDREN, adults get out!" even when it's X-files, or Rick and Morty, shows that are absolutely not meant for children. Especially not the later which has very dark humor.

It also ends up with them screaming things like it's pedophilia for two adults with a mild age gap to date, because many of them can't fathom dating a thirty year old who seems impossibly old, and they liken a 19 year old dating a 23 year old to a 23 year old dating a 13 year old, even though there's quite a difference there.

Mostly it's just young people acting like they know shit and bullying people online to feel important. There's some older people as well, but they're usually really immature or so mentally ill/disabled that they never leave the house and their life is screaming at people on the internet to make themselves not feel like garbage about themselves. Or they're trying to play themselves up as the "cool dad" or "cool mom" and manipulating the teens to bully others by putting up things like "if you ever need anything, come to me!!" and "protect teen girls!!"

It's depressing, but you can't really fight the frothing mob of teenagers at this point. You either gotta blacklist and keep quiet so they don't target you, or move away from fandom and do something else.

[(Anonymous)]

SA. This is also why so much of it comes down on sex, but not violence. These children have been exposed to violent video games, but sex is still scary and there's a huge feeling of "stranger danger" that permeated their childhood, so they scream rape and pedophilia at any opportunity.

I don't mean this to trivialize rape and pedophilia, but I've seen so many people called pedophile/rape supporters just for saying "Hey antis, how about not bullying survivors who ship this stuff?" Even saying they agree with everything the antis say, but that they don't think bullying and attacking people is the best way to deal with someone drawing or writing something you don't like online results in more cries or rape/pedophilia or whatever shock word to shut people down of the day. It's depressing.

[(Anonymous)]

You've hit the nail on the head exactly. Man, I miss the old days of fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's true, but another factor is this: http://postcardsfromspace.tumblr.com/post/127028876533/taikonaut-medusamori-terrasigillata

TL;DR: Kids don't remember a pre-9/11 world in which free speech and open discourse were actually valued.

[cactuspaws]

Accurate.

I wish the majority fandom wasn't so heavily centered around tumblr and twitter.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd say a lot of this is true but I just have to add, I don't think people in the 90s-00s were all that better behaved, it's just that fandom was more self contained back then and wank only went so far. Add to that teenagers who were paranoid about stranger danger/staying anonymous and things had a tendency to go away.

Fandom is just too large to contain anymore, for better or worse it's everywhere now. Before it was in private chats, in locked journals, in small web forums. Now it's on tumblr with hundreds of thousands of notes, on twitter where the creators also hang out (back in the day we really did not have such easy access to creators except for maybe a few) and it's on facebook where your mom, your friends and everyone you know hangs out.

I feel like the largeness of fandom/the nature of social media has turned fandom into a shouting match. There were always crazies but now it's like the crazies have too much support/attention for things to calm down.

[(Anonymous)]

Plus in communities there were mods/owners. This could get kind of weird if the mods were weird, like when the tru-fans staged a takeover of Danny Phantom fandom by taking mod control of all the major fandom spaces and threatening to ban anyone found posting elsewhere. But it also meant under sane management fandoms could be kept more peaceful.

With fandom spaces like tumblr, it's based around who can shout louder. You 'win' by your point getting more points with likes and reblogs.

Like lets say a creator is having a bad day. One of those days where you want to watch the world burn. They go on their forum and see someone has posted something negative about their work, and they fire off a "Gokuluvr47 is a donkey's rear end. Fuck u." Ten minutes later they realize they were being a jerk, they delete it. They can delete any other comments dogpiling Gokuluvr47. They can say "Hey, I said some things about someone when I was in a bad mood, I didn't mean it. Anyone caught harassing them because of it is going to get a strike against them. Cut it out." And there's a good chance that unless some people are really really dedicated to that wank, it's going to blow over.

Now lets say they post "Gokuluvr47 is a donkey's rear end. Fuck u." on tumblr, or twitter. The genie is out of the bottle now. In that ten minutes it's been reblogged/retweeted a couple hundred times. People are harassing Gokuluvr47, people are harassing the creator for being a jerk to a random fan. They can try posting the apology, is it going to get as much traction? Is it going to fan the flames of "They apologized, drop it" Vs. "Oh sure, now that people are mad suddenly they didn't mean it and they're trying to manipulate us into dropping it. Bet if it had all been positive they'd still be sticking to their donkey's rear position."

It's a different breed of wank entirely. Add that to the natural human tendency to believe quantity over quality (10 facebook posts from your relatives that drinking cold water causes liquid fat to congeal in your arteries and will kill you is more believable than one post from the American Heart Association going "That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works!" ) and the conditions are always right for a perfect wank storm.