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⌈ Secret Post #3335 ⌋

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(Red Dead Redemption, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt)

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[Star Trek: The Next Generation]

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[One Direction, "What Makes You Beautiful"]

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[Hanayome wa Motodanshi]

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[Driver: San Francisco, Jun and Ayumu]

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[Naruto]

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[Ash Ketchum/Professor Oak]

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I...TOTALLY see where you're coming from, I just don't completely agree. Like, I pretty much feel this way about the "all Vulcans live with a rigorous discipline over their emotions--except the ones that we're supposed to like" thing that Star Trek does sometimes and how any code of chastity and/or control over attachments gets inevitably betrayed by the writing across different examples in fiction, only sometimes with the right nuance of not denying that feelings are persistent and beyond our control but it's just the way that one reacts to them that is exceptionally controlled within this culture...I'm rambling but the point is it's a sex-obsessed or romance-obsessed thing that is evident there when there aren't many examples of writers deciding there are other ways of making that character interesting than to challenge their ability to adhere to something that, if it were real, would be an important aspect of a culture or commitment.

And it's easy to overlook that maintaining this control is very important for the Jedi because they have a lot of power...but I think and hope the point there is that without an allowance of emotion they have no real idea how to keep those emotions in check, and since Anakin was discouraged in that and it was this absolute taboo and he was treated so poorly his entire life, he became obsessive about what little joys he had, and as he was made to feel more and more like they were wrong they turned into very negative forces over his priorities. Luke was sort of revolutionizing what it means to be a Jedi when he allowed, against the advice of his mentors, for his emotions to have sway over his decisions, and kind of remained in the light by taking the path he could live with even when he remained capable (I think) of not completely losing the plot over his attachments. So I would really hope the new trilogy addresses that the Jedi have never quite worked out a universal code for that but that the way things were when Anakin was trained was corrupt and gave him the wrong support for managing his power. And I'd be completely fine with the implication that Obi-Wan or Luke never did really have romantic attachments because it wouldn't eclipse that point.

Part of it is Clone Wars gets into a big tragedy because Obi-Wan does fall in love, but he can't be with her because he's a Jedi. And it's shown as a huge sacrifice and how he has to save the many rather than the one.

I don't know, it just seems kind of horrible to go back and go "Oh yeah, he totally could have hit dat. He scarified everything for false beliefs, looser."

But if he BELIEVED that he had to give that up, BELIEVED that he literally could not be with her and remain a Jedi (or a good Jedi anyway), then his technically having been able to "hit dat" wouldn't matter. What matters is that he was trained from early childhood to BELIEVE that he could not have a romantic attachment, and therefore he has to sacrifice it on the altar of remaining a Jedi. That isn't "loser," it's a tragic romance, which are not the same thing. Especially if he never knew that it was possible to be with a romantic partner and still be a true, light-side Jedi. And he really could not have been with her at that point anyway, even if he knew it was possible, because he would have gotten kicked out of the Order for breaking that taboo.

When you put it that way, it sounds like the Jedi Code creates the same problems as Elsa from Frozen's "conceal, don't feel" mantra.

That is basically the exact way I always saw it, even before Frozen came out, because "forcible repression causes emotional problems" is a pretty obvious thing (except to the Jedi Counsel at the time of the prequels, apparently)

I kind of headcanon that it was either subtle influence of various sith or just witnessing darksiders being obsessed in unhealthy ways lead the Jedi order to go so extreme.

Here, somebody else on YouTube agrees with you:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgJeVwjnpc

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