[ SECRET POST #3356 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3356 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Serious question - in the Outsiders, was Dally gay for Johnny?

I was so young when I first read it that it never even occurred to me, but looking back at the story as an adult, it seems pretty easy to read Dally being in love with Johnny. Wonder if that ever occurred to the author.

[(Anonymous)]

Their relationship has been interpreted that way, as has Ponyboy's own friendship with Johnny and how hard both took it after Johnny died.

Additionally people have considered Sodapop and Steve to be a possible slash pairing.

[(Anonymous)]

Interpreted that way by like, scholarly articles or slash fans? Not that there's necessarily much difference in terms of research lol

I guess Ponyboy and Johnny doesn't stick out to me as much because Ponyboy is the narrator and so there's less opportunity to read between the lines... then again, the novel is supposed to be his English project iirc so who knows how reliable he is.

Steve was always the most forgettable greaser to me so I can't remember what might've pinged people as gay about them.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Slash fans TBH :P

Steve's forgettability is probably a reflection of Ponyboy's (narrator's) own biases towards him. Even so the degree to which they hang out together could be suggestive of a same-sex pairing, although more likely homosocial bonding which often happens in teenage years and can lead to sexual experimentation.

[(Anonymous)]

Because best friends can never just be best friends. They always have to be boning each other.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, best friends can bone each other. I've had sex with my same-sex best friend and we're not in a relationship (she's not even really gay, except when we get drunk). It can happen, yo.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but in fandom they must be boning each other. Even if there's nothing in the canon to suggest they are.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you... mad about shipping? Are you one of those people who believe people should only ship canon ships?

[(Anonymous)]

...no? I'm more reacting to something that I haven't seen in this particular thread, but seems to be rather pervasive: to wit, that if you don't think they're boning, or could be boning, or should be boning, then there is something wrong with you.

[(Anonymous)]

But that isn't what ayrt said? They did not say best friends can't or don't ever bone. They're pointing out a belief common fandom that best friends are ALWAYS boning, which is of course, not true.

[(Anonymous)]

that anon is presumably annoyed that people do queer readings of The Outsiders. Unless there's a common demand that Ponyboy and Co must be gay, I can't really see the problem.

[(Anonymous)]

Please do not put words in my mouth.

I am annoyed by the notion that best friends must always be having sex. I do not care if those best friends are the same or opposite sexes.

[(Anonymous)]

New anon, but nah, I get where they're coming from. A lot of people in fandom really can't comprehend the idea of platonic, close friends, apparently? Regardless of gender, people will always assume that they're secretly sleeping together/in love with each other in canon. And they're usually so adamant about it that it seems like they think romance is a "step up" from friendship, like platonic love is lesser than romantic love, which is something I really take issue with!

I don't think it has to do with this example specifically? At least not for me. It's a pretty common fandom occurrence (and I'm huge on slash, for the record).

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're presuming a lot which isn't actually there, possibly because you're bringing some extra baggage to this discussion. You can be annoyed at the idea that two people can't possibly be friends unless sex/romance is involved without being annoyed that people are reading relationships in a certain book as queer. They're two different things.

[(Anonymous)]

In the book universe? No they weren't gay. In fandom? Everyone's a little gay. Taste the Rainbow baby xoxo

[(Anonymous)]

How do you know? Has the author spoken on the matter?