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This is one ship I just can't do. I love the idea of them being good friends. But she's just so in love with Celeborn in canon to the point that she stays in Middle Earth mostly for him. I just can't picture her with anyone else. And Gandalf I just don't want to ship at all. He's asexual in my mind.

I imagine Tolkien thought of Gandalf and all the other Istari as asexual, too, so there's that.

Probably. I personally don't see all the Ainur as asexual. But Gandalf is definitely one of the ones who is for me.

I'm sorry, but just because you don't want to ship him doesn't make the man asexual. That's like saying 99.99% of the population of the world is asexual. Which we know from numbers isn't true.

Are you sure you don't want to ship him just because of his age? Sir Ian McKellen has an active sex life, so I'm sure he'd find that more than a little offensive.

Or maybe because Gandalf is like the archetype of the wise old man who you see as a distant authority/knowledgeable figure? inb4 whateverisms

No, it's the character for me. I feel the same way in the books. Gandalf just doesn't read to me as someone who thinks about sex or attraction at all. He's all about his mission and about exploring the world and about Hobbits and just getting things done. I just don't think he thinks about sex.

I'm totally fine with, for example, Ian McKellen as Magneto being sexual. I do ship Magneto/Xavier at both ages and I can imagine either versions of the character having sex.

Yep. Just can't ship Gandalf. He's Gandalf.

I disagree that she stays for Celeborn. We see at the end of LOTR that she's willing to leave him behind. And the books state at the end of the War of Wrath that she was still too proud and wanted to rule. She and Celeborn separate at different points to rule in different places. I agree that she loves him but Galadriel has always been about her own interests and desires first. She stayed because she wanted to for herself.

She stays in large part for Celeborn, and yes while they ruled at different places they were still in the same world. But yes, also because she wanted to for herself and also probably because of fears and wondering if she'd even be allowed back into Valinor.

Later on, the call of family and home was strong enough to make her separate from Celeborn. Also, I think she probably knew at that point that he was going to be willing to join her at some point, whereas before he wouldn't have.

I don't agree with this at all. She doesn't do anything in large part for him. That was her whole problem. It was her whole character arc. Yes, she loves him, but he is not her main motivator at all.

Hmmm. I don't agree with that. I think her character arc is more about her arrogance and learning humility and wisdom. Like, I've said before that I think that the Galadriel of the Silmarillion wouldn't have given her hairs to Sam any more than she gave them to Feanor. It wasn't just that she didn't like Feanor, though that was there too. Her willingness to give those hairs to Sam shows how much she's changed. It isn't about Celeborn. She loves him all along, and just choosing him, a Sindar elf, was a brave choice that probably bothered her family.

You just contradicted herself. I agree that it was about her arrogance and needing humility, which means her staying was about her. If she stayed for Celeborn, it was the tiniest part and only a mask for her own desires. She stayed because now she had the opportunity to rule and she took it.

I also don't think choosing him was a brave choice. Why would she care what the Feanorians think, and why would Fingolfin's side care? Her immediate family had met Thingol and the others in Doriath and shared her family connection to the Teleri. Celeborn was a good choice, and there is no textual evidence that anyone thought otherwise. I honestly can't see Finrod or Orodreth or Aegnor and Angrod having an issue with it, or her putting up with it. We've already seen their conflict with the Feanorians. If the Feanorians were bothered, Galadriel probably would've been thrilled. I don't think it was a hard choice at all.

Okay, have you read beyond the Silmarillion? Because there is a bit, I can't remember if it is in the Unfinished Tales or the Lost Tales, but one of them explicitly says that she stays in Middle Earth for Celeborn.

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Personally I think your idea of her matches mine - she was arrogant and ambitious and staying in Middle-Earth after the War of Wrath was based heavily on that, but I want to think she loved her husband as well.

It was Gimli she gave hairs to. Sam she gave a box of dirt and a mallorn seed to.

Yes, right, Gimli. I'm a little overtired.

I can't ship it, for many reasons. Like philstar22 said, she's with Celeborn and I just don't think of Gandalf in that way at all.

I came out of the first Hobbit movie feeling weirdly guilty about my reaction to them. It is a thing I should not have found myself sort-of-shipping. It's just that the council scene in Hobbit is the first time Galadriel has really had actual onscreen chemistry with anyone in the movieverse. Celeborn in the movies was always basically a silent golden shadow at her back, but in that scene she was smiling and talking intimately with Gandalf, secretly and telepathically while everyone else was oblivious, and I kind of wanted to growl at the screen that if you don't want me to ship this, this is not the way to go about it.

This movie confused me a lot in their regard, is what I'm saying.

Oh yeah, they had great onscreen chemistry.

I kind of shipped them too after some of this, especially as her canon husband is basically a non-entity in the movies. He's there, he looked pretty, and that's it. Oddly, I have a harder time picturing Galadriel as sexual than Gandalf, though, so it's not an "all the sex, all the time" ship for me.

Yeah I did have a lot of shippy feelings about it after that scene, but I didn't see their interaction as sexual, just...implicitly romantic-ish? Like, I didn't care about anything to do with sex, and I'm kind of side-eyeing philstar for conflating the two concepts. Shipping doesn't need to include sex, especially when it's about non-human immortal beings.

Still don't ship it, but you gave me a mental picture of them sharing fond smiles and holding hands and I found that cute.

I can only ship it as threesome, because she is married, no matter how much screen presence Celeborn lacked.

I shipped it, too. Not exactly in a sexual way, but in a very-deep-friendship-mutual-admiration-having-known-you-forever kind of way. And if you want to give the third Hobbit movie a try, there's a gorgeous scene with Galadriel coming to rescue Gandalf and carrying him bridal-style. *g*

Duuude you should have watched the third movie. They were beautiful.

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