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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-04-11 05:45 pm

[ SECRET POST #3386 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3386 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2016-04-11 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Sure. And? That still doesn't mean they're "white coded." Unless you mean Asians who have white-influenced beauty ideals are not actually Asian?

You wouldn't also happen to think that black women who straighten their hair aren't actually black would you?

Go roast your genitals off for saying that Asian people who have a white-influenced ideal of beauty are not actually asian and the characters they themselves write, name, and situate in Asia are not asian. Whiteness is not that fucking powerful. Japanese people have been through a lot of cultural exchange with China, Korea, and Russia before and have borrowed metric fucktons of cultural expectations from them without becoming less Japanese. Your fucking whiteness is not more powerful than that just by dint of being white.

(Anonymous) 2016-04-11 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
They're not "white-coded" but the artist drew their attractive characters to look more like white people for a reason.

It's the same reason black people straighten their hair.

Which is to say it has absolutely nothing to do with white people whatsoever, it's merely a fashion statement made by proud, empowered people from wonderful cultures.

Unless we're talking about how oppressive these ideals are. Then it's white people's fault.

Don't worry bro I've got it all figured out by now.
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[personal profile] harp 2016-04-11 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
It's the same reason black people straighten their hair. Which is to say it has absolutely nothing to do with white people whatsoever

Now hold on a minute... I'm not saying that straightening hair is the fault of the average white person, but it has a little to do with white people. Wait, just hear me out- I was the only dark skinned person in my school from kindergarten until seventh grade. While the other girls (I was a girl at the time) were always playing with their hair, brushing it, getting to go swimming, stuff like that, I was the one who had to have her hair constantly tied down. I remember one Halloween going to the school part with my hair not in braids, and it caused... well, a kerfluffle. It was just so unlike what they were used to seeing. If their hair ever did what mine was doing, they'd consider it a mess. See, they had only their own standards to go by, their own yardstick by which to measure the world. See what I'm saying? And growing up in their world, I just sort of learned to measure things by their standard.

And it's not anyone's fault. It just comes with the territory. If a white student grew up around a bunch of black students, the same thing would happen. Nobody's the bad guy. Nobody's purposely oppressing anyone. It's just the way things work out.

(Anonymous) 2016-04-12 11:17 am (UTC)(link)
that is a very rational analysis of your own situation and I'm kinda happy that people can still do this, what with all the "I'm a victim" stuff going on on twitter over everything.

From the perspective of a self-analyzing part of a larger white group with one black kid in class I can add this:
there was a black boy in our class (elementary school) who was pretty close with my sister, so I saw him regularly even outside of school. he was the only black kid in the entire school, adopted by a couple who were exactly the same social class as evryone there. So there were no class-issues or foreign-name issues or anything. he was just "the kid who looked different". Of course, kids as we were, we would tease each other about how that kid had a big nose, or that kid had stupid freckles, and he, well, I thought his short-cropped curly hair made his head look like a hamburger. So I called him that. Until one day my mom and his mom talked me out of it because it apparently hurt his feelings. It took me a bit to understand why this was a special thing because everyone was picking on someone about something, and I got teased about stuff more often than not, too, but finally I understood that it's really much harder on someone who already *is* the odd one out to be teased about something that makes them different.
So I guess that day I understood how dynamics of race can pose a problem even when there is no harm intended and no underlying racism actually involved.