[ SECRET POST #3398 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3398 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Invent fandom wank here

[(Anonymous)]

Why is sci-fi, something set in the FUTURE so regressive and anti-woman, when fantasy, set in the a horrible part of history for women is so progressive.

I kinda actually want to know, but I've never seen any SJW / Anti SJW wank about it, so... there it is.

Re: Invent fandom wank here

[ariakas]

There are more female fantasy authors than sci-fi authors, would be my guess.

That said I'm an avid reader of sci-fi/fantasy myself and haven't noticed this trend at all. Fantasy - especially some of the stuff from the 90s and earlier - can bring mouthbreathing misogyny with the best of them.

Re: Invent fandom wank here

[(Anonymous)]

not sure what having fucked up sinuses has to do with misogyny.

Re: Invent fandom wank here

[blitzwing]

That would be a really interesting thing to analyze, although I think you'd have to limit the scope a lot to really set up/get an idea of/ the level of contrast.

Re: Invent fandom wank here

[(Anonymous)]

tl;dr version: science fiction is much more masculinely-coded than fantasy is, and female authors and female-identified subgenres have been a part of the genre in a more substantial way than in SF

like, one of the definitive stories of the John Campbell era in sci-fi is "The Cold Equations", which is literally about an astronaut throwing a girl out of an airlock because math. it's really not hard to see that style of science fiction might not be more masculine-centered.

Re: Invent fandom wank here

[(Anonymous)]

SF (especially hard SF and military SF) tend to be written by male authors and feature male power fantasies. There's an ugly prejudice in the genre that women can't write decent SF, and they can't write hard SF because... science is a man's world? Apparently? Accompanying that, you'll see prejudice against fantasy (especially newer, popular sub genres of urban/paranormal fantasy) because they're predominantly written by women and therefore aren't "real SF/F" with the implication that they're trashier because they contain characters with feelings instead of characters who kick ass and have adventures... because in some peoples' mind, you can't do both!

A lot of the old school SF fans/writers fit this description. You can google "Rabid Puppies", "Sad Puppies" and names like Vox Day, Larry Correia and Brad Torgersen, but only if you want to fall down a depressing rabbithole of antiquated bigotry. It's a messed up dynamic, no mistake.

Re: Invent fandom wank here

[(Anonymous)]

Really? That seems to have been the central issue in SF&F fandom over the last five years or so. It's just happening in different spaces from the whole art/gif/fanfic/tumblr scene.

Re: Invent fandom wank here

[(Anonymous)]

This. It's a common topic of discussion --arguably THE main topic of discussion-- but mostly among older fans, via blogs and message boards rather than tumblr.

Re: Invent fandom wank here

[(Anonymous)]

Or in periodicals, the "Women Destroy" special issues came with a dozen essays about feminism in the genre.

Then there's the Tiptree awards, the now-annual wank over the Hugos, and there's wank over new Star Trek casting when the casting hasn't been announced yet.

Re: Invent fandom wank here

[(Anonymous)]

I think this really depends on the sci-fi you're reading. My father (a ginormous feminist) is always talking about the awesome, progressive, feminist sci-fi novels he's reading. But a big part of that is probably because he makes a point of mainly reading sci-fi written by women.

I do think you probably have a point though, if one were to look at the entire genre and sort of average it out.

Re: Invent fandom wank here

[(Anonymous)]

Because Scifi is about cold emotionless things. Men can relate to that more than women, so more men write in Scifi. More men = less compassion for women.

Fantasy is about people, emotions, and interpersonal relationships, things that women excel at, so more women write fantasy. More women = More compassion for women and other minorities.

Re: Invent fandom wank here

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, like, this is really hard to talk about, I know. But it's probably better if you can find a way to phrase your remarks that doesn't imply that men actually are emotionless and women are actually intrinsically more compassionate than men. These are socially constructed things, not biotruths.