[ SECRET POST #3406 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3406 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Oh for fuck's sake. So men don't get accused of rape when they're the victims? They don't get laughed at as weak? They don't get told that men can't possibly be raped? They're not forced to pay child support for their rapist's kids?

To say nothing of how prison rape (the place the term "rape culture" came from) is considered a punchline.

Yeah that really says that men can't possibly be victimized. Holy shit how can you be so ignorant and heartless?

[(Anonymous)]

The only rape culture in western countries exists towards men.

[diet_poison]

...?

[(Anonymous)]

As in: Nobody in their right mind would cheer on a male rapist of a woman. People are generally aware that rape is a heinous crime and must be punished. Rape is basically regarded as the worst crime of all, and by not a small number of people, even worse than murder.
Male victims, especially if raped by women, get completely ignored. People generally pretend that male rape doesn't exist. And if a woman rapes a man, she gets cheered on in a lot of cases while the victim gets only ridicule.

So if we take the general rule that rape culture means a culture in which rape is normalised, accepted or even encouraged, women generally don't suffer under a rape culture in most western countries (which doesn't mean they don't get raped, obviously .It's just not, by its definition, a rape culture).
Men, however, definitely face a rape culture (against them) in western countries.

[diet_poison]

That's very naive. It's not entirely untrue, but you're leaving out a lot of really important information, such as: rape against women is often very narrowly defined, female rape victims are often questioned in such a way as to try to pin the blame on them, women are physically less able to defend themselves from male rapists than vice-versa, and other factors. It's not as simple as you've outlined. Men and women face a different set of problems when it comes to rape, but it's not exclusively a male problem. That's just as silly as trying to claim men don't get raped at all.

Yes, most people see male-on-female rape as heinous...when it's a creeper jumping out of the bushes and pushing a gun up against a pure, innocent woman's head. Most rape doesn't look like that.

[(Anonymous)]

The naive one is you.
Male rape is ignored completely if it's not penetrative sex. It's often not even counted as rape if he doesn't have anything forcibly rammed up his ass. So it's even more narrowly defined. Male rape victims are questioned, yes, but of course they are, it's a normal procedure in crime of all kinds. Male rape victims are not even questioned in the first place because everyone just laughs in their faces and dismisses them without ever considering what they say is true. And where female victims might be less physically strong, female rapists usually use other means to put pressure on their victims. And male victims rarely fight back because that would automatically make them seem like the aggressor. Not to mention that most male victims don't even know they are being raped because they are taught that those things can't possibly happen to men (and yet it's not any less traumatic for them).

So yeah, I think the rape culture for men is much worse than the one for women (which I don't agree exists at all in western countries in the way it's defined).

And no, most people don't just think the stereotypical rapist from the bushes is evil, but sure, believe what you want.

[diet_poison]

Sooo bringing up specific problems men face when it comes to rape doesn't erase the problem women face. Why are you so determined to throw women under the bus?

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody was doing that. Saying that men are vilified and women aren't for the same actions isn't throwing women under the bus. It's saying that we need to handle rapists the same no matter who they are.

Plus, male victims aren't believed. They're mocked, they're derided, they're told they should have liked it, they're told they aren't real men, they're even arrested over the belief that they had to be the rapist no matter what other evidence exists.

[diet_poison]

It's saying that we need to handle rapists the same no matter who they are.

...but you (or AIRT if not you) were literally saying women don't face problems with rape culture. That's flat-out wrong and hurts women to say so. Now you're trying to tell me they should be treated with equal consideration?