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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-05-09 06:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #3414 ]


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[personal profile] herpymcderp 2016-05-10 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
I disagree. You're assuming that kinks occur due to social mores or examples of relationships in media, when actually the majority of sexual preferences are formed in childhood due to early/first experiences with sexuality and sexual desire.

For a lot of people these experiences are completely coincidental and have virtually nothing to do with what's actually occurring or whether dominance or submission are encouraged in relationships. Example A: a young girl happens to see a cartoon where there is a scene of a woman covered in honey, and the scene has erotic undertones. She develops a kink for food play or being covered in fluids later in life.
Example B: A young boy is watching a movie where there's a strange green gas taking over a town. He happens to get an erection during scene where he sees two people trying to escape the gas. He later develops a fart kink.

In both instances, it's a lot easier to imagine something happening to you at a very young age than it is to imagine doing something to someone else.

Now, if you want to talk about media examples influencing how people think they should behave in relationships, that's a totally different. There's a huge divide between sexual behaviour and roles in partnerships.

(Anonymous) 2016-05-10 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
No...I wasn't assuming anything...I was just saying we could think about it?

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2016-05-10 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
And I'm saying that train of thought assumes there's some big conclusion to come to that has to do with what's socially appropriate. Like... oh, it must be this way because as a society we ___".

There's not really a "because _____" when it comes to what people get turned on by.

(Anonymous) 2016-05-10 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
?_?

I literally ended my statement with "I'm just going to trail off" so I don't know why you're even bothering.

(Anonymous) 2016-05-10 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
to pretend as if it's just a coincidence and hand waving any effect society and culture has is pretty stupid

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2016-05-10 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
No, not really. I think I get what you're trying to say, but in order to be specific about these things, one must use the correct language. Kinks are not behaviours. A kink is simply something specific that turns someone on.

You can basically compare kinks to sexual orientation in that they're (generally) not something someone consciously chooses. Most people don't even remember where their kinks come from because they stem from experiences in very early childhood.

Sexual behaviour, on the other hand, is completely different from preferences and kinks. Someone could theoretically have a kink that they don't even realize because they've been told all their lives that kinks are wrong, disgusting, and deviant. Or... people might adopt certain sexual behaviours because believe that they'll go to hell if they ever have sex outside of marriage/procreation with the wrong person or in the wrong context.

In largely the same way as a person whose real orientation is homosexual adopting heterosexual behaviour due to social pressure, a person with kinks can also adopt a vanilla relationship due to pressure. The kink or preference itself is not determined by society, but the behaviour in relation to the kink/preference is. Just because some behaviours are more acceptable and encouraged doesn't mean that society really has much at all to do with what turns people on. If it did, bestiality and non-consensual sex kinks would be a lot less prevalent, as would other "unacceptable" kinks.

(Anonymous) 2016-05-10 11:59 am (UTC)(link)
I think you're missing the point, I'm not talking about approval of an already established kink, ie: a woman with a kink for being dominated looking to media to see if that's an "approved" kink socially.

But culturally, when 9/10 of the narratives young, pre-pubescent girls are seeing in media is men grabbing women in rough kisses, or saving them, or otherwise being in the dominant position over them, more women are going to grow up with those kinks. You used examples of media exposure accidentally triggering a kink, right? Now if a majority of girls are being exposed to only one type of relationship, it's unsurprising they all "coincidentally" develop a kink for being dominated.

Have you ever read the articles about quicksand kink? How many adventure shows during the 70s featured women stuck in quicksand, therefore there's an unusual amount of adult men with kinks for restricted movement/quicksand because they were pre-pubescent or pubescent when those shows and movies were airing? Well the majority of girls grow up seeing dominant men and submissive women, and it's not difficult to put two and two together.