[ SECRET POST #3415 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3415 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/ObD5VGe.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, Hollywood is just falling over themselves to give work to handsome women who're hurtling towards 60.

No, I'm happy with this. Hollywood is shitty to asians, and other POC, but it's worse to women who are not "Sexy".

[(Anonymous)]

They could have found a 60 year old, non sexy Chinese woman.

[(Anonymous)]

Worse? You sound white.

I agree older women have a hard time getting roles that are frequently given to younger actors.

People who aren't white - or even black - get almost NO roles, whether they are young and sexy or otherwise. Characters that are meant to be non-white/non-black are still rewritten as white characters almost always.

[(Anonymous)]

Hollywood is shitty to asians, and other POC, but it's worse to women who are not "Sexy".

Nah, don't agree. Namely because there are more roles for women who aren't conventionally "sexy" than there are for POCs, period. I'm not saying that the conventionally unsexy are doing great in terms of roles, but if I had to rank them... they're definitely ahead of POCs, sexy or not.

[(Anonymous)]

So... Asian women don't exist? You're trolling, but it's not like old women only come in one ethnicity.j

[(Anonymous)]

so you're probably trolling, but has the idea of Asian people who are also.................... women!!!!!! occurred to you? your white feminist ass can't fathom the idea of non white women existing?

[(Anonymous)]

I heard she actually asked for the role.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you give way too much credit to actors/actresses about their knowledge of these characters. Sure, some are huge fans beforehand OR have played the character long enough to have done a shit ton of research.

But for a (likely) one movie character who probably won't be in the majority of the film? I highly, highly doubt she is reading all the back issues of Doctor Strange.

Also, I don't think they cast Swinton as a Tibetan character to avoid offending the Chinese. The character is NOT going to have a Tibetan origin in the movie. Regardless of who was playing the character (Tilda Swinton, Lucy Liu, Ice-T, that one dude who should totally play this), the character was never going to be Tibetan.

I get that the internet sometimes forgets this, but Disney/Marvel is first and foremost a business. They are in this to make money. And China is a huge market that makes them a lot of money. So, if Disney/Marvel thinks changing a fairly minor background element will increase their profit, they are going to do it.

It is cool when entertainment companies some how further some social justice cause or another, but they are not obligated to do so. Disney is not obligated to be the first step in mending the conflict between China and Tibet. They are here to make movies about superheroes, jedis, and talking animals.

[(Anonymous)]

Well said, I salute you.

[(Anonymous)]

Either way, the knuckling under to the cultural erasure of Tibet isn't a good thing.

[sparrow_lately]

My thoughts regarding Scarlett Johansen in Ghost in the Shell too

[insanenoodlyguy]

That's much worse actually. The ancient one is being called just that. Yan of Kamar-Taj, Tibet will no longer be the name and origin.

Scarlet is, last I heard, PLAYING MOTOKO KUSANAGI. As in, she's still called Captain Kusanagai, and there was coversation that actually went "Could we use some CGI in post to make her 'more asian?' "

That's something much worse.

[(Anonymous)]

I think a good thing could come of it: Tilda could give a great performance, as could the rest of the cast, resulting in a fun and cool film about one of my favorite Marvel second-stringers.

[(Anonymous)]

...But the Tibetans are okay with it?...

[(Anonymous)]

No. We're not.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, you've polled them all? That must've been a challenge.

[(Anonymous)]

i wish they had cast Tilda AS doctor strange and given her current role to an asian actor

[(Anonymous)]

I cannot think of Dr. Strange w/o thinking Dr. Orpheus, so I keep thinking she'll be a verson of The Master and sound like Jon Benjamin.

[(Anonymous)]

I would be SO DOWN with that.

Tilda Swinton, as voiced by H. Jon Benjamin. But will she turn into Cerberus and start licking her crotch?

[(Anonymous)]

If the role had gone to an Asian people would have complained that it was a "magical Asian master" stereotype. In the comics it sort of is, even though a movie could easily play it without the older trappings.

But the rationale is just plain horrific. They'd rather have China's money over showing a Tibetan? Even casting an Asian person in the role wouldn't have changed how horrible that is. Even casting a Tibetan and removing that element from the character would be terrible.

[(Anonymous)]

The Ancient One isn't actually closely based on real-world Tibetan religion anyway. He's just sort of weird.

[saturnofthemoon]

Scarjo, Christian Bale, Benedict Cumberbatch, Joseph Fienes...the list goes on. They're all prominent actors who could have chosen not to play POC, but they did. In fact, I've never heard of a white actor turning down a role for that reason.

[(Anonymous)]

Is she playing a Tibetan person, or is she playing the Ancient One, who in the comics was Tibetan? I think fandom tends to wildly overestimate actors' familiarity with the source material in a lot of these cases. Doesn't make the studio's decision less awful, but why assume Tilda's agent called her up and asked her if she could do yellow-face?

[(Anonymous)]

Hollywood is just being Hollywood. If they can get away with putting a white actor in the role, even if there's no particular reason for that character to be white or the character is actually traditionally non-white they will. I don't think that's solely about business. Prejudice does play a significant part too and I just don't think they're all that interested in changing the status quo too much anytime soon anyway. But I cringe that this is going to be Hollywood's latest excuse for hiring so few non-whites and creating so few roles for non-whites. "We don't want to offend" It sounds so reasonable on the surface, but is such complete bs everywhere else.