[ SECRET POST #3415 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3415 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[kaijinscendre]

Steve made the hard choice to prioritize Bucky over Tony. He also lied to Tony about Bucky's involvement with his parent's death.

Steve and Tony are not friends. Their relationship is not the same as it was at the beginning. Granted, they've never been super close. Just because Steve gave Tony a phone to contact him, in case the world is about to be destroyed, does not mean everything is okay between them. It means that Steve prioritizes the safety of the world over his own feelings.

And the villain got exactly what he wanted. The Avengers (who didn't sign the accords) are fugitives. If Captain America tries to go into a country to save someone, he can be arrested (if they can catch him). Their team is torn apart as well. Tony and Steve are not the only team members.

I don't know why you think Tony is helping them? It was never shown that Tony even knows they are in Wakanda. I don't think he ever realized Black Panther was there in Siberia.

I really think a death would be superfluous. Also, if Steve/Tony/Bucky killed any of the other group members, their character would likely be irredeemable to fans.

[ariakas]

Steve made the hard choice to prioritize Bucky over Tony.

How in the world is this a hard choice? Bucky is his best friend and war buddy whose life was in imminent danger. Tony is somewhat of a friend and a colleague who he's known for a couple of years and doesn't often see eye to eye with, and he's now clearly in the wrong, trying to kill an innocent man.

Really, how is this a hard choice?

And again, the no-longer-an-Avenger consequence is plot-related, not character related. It'll affect them in exactly the ways the writers choose, it won't have a lasting and profound effect on their relationships the same way death would.

Tony is smiling to himself whilst ignoring/needlessly delaying a request to aid in the capture of escaped criminals at the end of the film. I'm not really sure how not to construe that as "helping them" to be honest.

Well I agree that a random death would have been superfluous (hence mentioning Quicksilver in the first comment) and would not have served much of a purpose aside from "raising the stakes" as it were. But if any of Steve/Tony/Bucky had died in that final fight it would have dramatically improved the story for reasons of character development, theme, and narrative impact.

[kaijinscendre]

In prioritizing Bucky, Steve also became a fugitive and betrayed his team (Vision, Black Widow, Rhodey).

Tony smiling to himself (to me) felt like him recognizing that Steve is still a noble guy (that Tony wants to punch is his perfect teeth). It is also a throwback to Tony's comment to General Ross about thinking it is funny to put him on old.

I cannot see any way it would have dramatically improved the stories to have one of those characters murder the other.

Steve killing Tony would have been wildly out of character.

Tony killing Bucky would have resulted in an emotionally broken and devastated Steve Rogers (probably in jail) and is not an interesting character development to me. It the same, cheap character breaking that happens all the time in other media.

Bucky kills Tony. What would this improve? At most, Steve would be a little sad? It would also go against Bucky's character in Civil War. He spent the whole movie trying not to kill people. Hell, in that final fight, it looked like he was trying to disarm him.

[ariakas]

I strongly disagree with your interpretation of Tony's reaction in the end scene and the notion that showing grief after death would have been "cheap character breaking" but I respect your opinion. I didn't notice Bucky trying to disarm him (how do you disarm a power suit?) but I'll probably end up watching it again now.

Hah I guess we both could have had our cake if they'd made it seem like Tony killed Bucky, or at least to the point where Steve thought he did, but he actually survived. Then I'd get my truly meaningful decision when he doesn't kill Tony - and breaks the revenge cycle as a result - and you'd get your lack of a body count.

[(Anonymous)]

(how do you disarm a power suit?)

Taking out its power source, which is what Bucky was shown to try to do even in the trailer.