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Re: Complaint Thread
(Anonymous) 2016-05-11 01:20 am (UTC)(link)Re: Complaint Thread
(Anonymous) 2016-05-11 01:39 am (UTC)(link)And nobody has gone into detail about the negative consequences because we're largely talking to people who agree that he's bad. If having someone detail some of the reasons is important to you, I can give you a quick summary right now:
- he's incredibly bellicose in foreign policy, which is an attitude that has led to gigantic costs in American blood and treasure in recent memory
- he has shown no particular grasp of policy, nor any skill at administration; the best argument he has that he would be good at being president is his business career, but those skills are not very transferable and he also was a pretty shitty businessman
- he does not care at all for the basic ideas underlying a liberal political regime - look at him talking about how he's going to make it easier to stop papers from printing critical things, for God's sake
- he is supported by awful racist shitheads, and electing him would unleash them in American politics, endorse their beliefs, and lead them to greater prominence and success in the future, which is actively bad for America. please read this point carefully: I am not saying that all of his supporters are awful racist shitheads. I am saying that he is supported by awful racist shitheads.
Re: Complaint Thread
(Anonymous) 2016-05-11 02:06 am (UTC)(link)Yeah, I keep hearing people say this, but every debate transcript I've read, he talks about backing off foreign defense. He's actually close to Bernie that way, but for different reasons. Trump is a terribly proud man, and I think it angers him that America pays more than its fair share in defense. He's criticized Bush for Iraq and thinks it was a mistake. I do worry about his bluster and what that might do to our country's alliances, but Obama's foreign policy record hasn't been stellar, either, and at least part of that is due to Hillary's cock-ups as SOS.
the best argument he has that he would be good at being president is his business career, but those skills are not very transferable and he also was a pretty shitty businessman
Well, I do think those skills are transferable, and the willingness to negotiate deals is sorely lacking in US government right now. The establishment outright refuses to compromise, both sides. Yes, Trump has had business failures, but overall he's done well for himself. And the fact that he's a political outsider is a big part of his appeal.
look at him talking about how he's going to make it easier to stop papers from printing critical things, for God's sake
I haven't heard this, but I'll agree the man says some outrageous things. I also think the mainstream media is a biased, money-grubbing cesspool that hangs on his every word and blows it out of proportion to get traffic. Media have made him, and he's loving playing their game. And frankly, I'm much more concerned about the silencing and censorship I see on the left nowadays.
he is supported by awful racist shitheads, and electing him would unleash them in American politics, endorse their beliefs, and lead them to greater prominence and success in the future, which is actively bad for America.
I'm not voting for his followers.
I am not saying that all of his supporters are awful racist shitheads.
Nope, many are disillusioned liberals just like me. But I'll tell what we are very, very tired of. Islam getting a free pass on misogyny and homophobia. Because we're fucking liberals.
Re: Complaint Thread
(Anonymous) 2016-05-11 02:55 am (UTC)(link)I think part of his approach is the sense that simple overwhelming force will be cheaper in the long run because more effective. I think that is wrong. Another part of it is backing off of active American commitment in favor of things like increased bombing. I think that is also pretty bad as a foreign policy approach. So it's things like that. He does have a weird combination of disengagement and bombing everyone but it's a pretty bad combination to me.
Regarding Trump's business career - as a business career, I think it's largely a failure. Where it's been a success is largely as a publicity career. He's much more successful and made more money out of celebrity than he did out of business. And also, if you look at his business career - he failed constantly. He made fucking terrible deals. There's a piece, I think from the New York Times, and it came out in the early 90s so it's hardly politically biased, about his purchase of the Plaza Hotel, and you can look it up - he got played like a fucking chump, almost entirely because of his personal pride. He negotiated like an idiot. It's really hard for me to take him seriously as a businessman. He made abominably stupid moves.
I agree that the mainstream media is very bad in many was, and that our system of governance has many flaws. But the cure, in this case, is worse than the disease. Yeah, sure, the media made Trump - but how in God's name is that a defense of Trump? Yes, he says outrageous things - that's not good! That's part of what makes him bad! He says and does outrageous, often stupid, things without thinking of the consequence. That is a bad quality for a President to have! Really bad!
And I don't think that you can dismiss his followers so easily. No, you're not voting for them, but that part of American society will absolutely be emboldened by a Trump win. That's a consequence that has to be reckoned with, an effect of voting for him. However heavily it weighs with you, it does exist. And it's consequential for American politics to have those people in the mainstream and emboldened to have those views as part of the political process. It's really bad.
I really don't see what the flaws of Islam as a religion have to do with Donald Trump so I'm frankly not really sure what to say to that. In conclusion, Donald Trump is a very bad candidate and would make a very bad president and you shouldn't vote for him.
Re: Complaint Thread
(Anonymous) 2016-05-11 11:44 am (UTC)(link)In regards to his supporters: if you will take a hard look at the left, you will find his protesters have become equally as vile. Those are the people who have caused me to move away from the left. The fact that the left refuses to acknowledge this sort of behavior is infuriating. That's why I mentioned Islam. Yes, a number of Trump supporters are racist, but the left could stand to be a bit more open about the dangers that Islam poses to western values rather than screaming "racist!" at anyone who raises concerns. I do not want what is happening in Europe to happen to America.
Thank you for debating the points without talking down to me or getting snarky or calling me names. You're a true liberal.