[ SECRET POST #3420 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3420 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, it's not the (dirt poor) execution of the Anna-Kristoff romance, it's that it exists at all. The film explicitly states its mission to disprove the fairy-tale mythos of True Love through the hefty ridicule of Anna's engagement and then through the twist of having curse's requirement being fulfilled by Elsa's fraternal affection. If they'd have LEFT it there, then I'd agree that Frozen would be breaking the new ground so many fans claim it does; they'd go where Mulan and Brave didn't, by not only making the point that happily-ever-after doesn't HAVE to involve True Love, but also that True Love can be found in other places than romance, and that in real life, romance can be a dangerous thing with the wrong partner. But the fact that the story ends with Anna pursuing romance with yet another boy-she'd-know-for-a-day-when-she-decided-it-was-true-love kind of makes every previous statement on the topic feel pretty worthless.

[bigpaw]

idk, I feel like there's a difference between "I've known this guy for an hour and we're gonna get married" and "I've been on a long, near-death journey with this guy, and now we're gonna kiss and maybe try dating for a bit." Anna's a romantic, she's interested in dating, and she's willing to try love again even though she's been hurt, but now she won't rush into it or assume it's true love right off the bat.

[(Anonymous)]

Unless I'm forgetting something big, every single Disney couple involving a main character has ended up with either a wedding, or with the understanding that a wedding will happen in the future. They've yet to show us a princess having a romance that just didn't pan out in the long run - excepting Anna and Hans, and even THAT had to be because Hans was EVUL, not because they grew apart or because she got to think twice about hasty decisions or simply met someone she liked better. Disney has set a firm precedent about the kind of relationships their heroes are involved in; I'm preeeetty certain we're supposed to assume Kristoff as Anna's happily ever after and the full montey, not just a date.

[bigpaw]

I guess it just really didn't feel like that to me. They kissed. Like, once. I thought it was cute and made a lot of sense for Anna, and when coupled with Elsa showing zero romantic inclination the entire movie, it never felt like romance was being forced as the only way to happily ever after. That was just the vibe I got, though.

[(Anonymous)]

You need the movie to explicitly say "And they lived happily ever after without staying together?" because anything could happen after the credits roll. IIRC, Brave ends with Merida not being involved with anyone (boy did that throw my parents for a loop) but that doesn't mean she never marries. Frozen ends with Anna and Kristoff interested in each other, but that doesn't mean it lasts.

We don't know if relationships pan out in the long run unless we're shown the long run. We just assume a certain type of "happily ever after" is implied, but no all the movies actually say that's how it goes.

[(Anonymous)]

It's pretty clear it's meant to be a "happily ever after" thing. Disney failed by making Anna and Kristoff romantic. It was unnecessary and only there because Disney NEEDS to include romance, and they're not brave enough to completely remove themselves from their generic formula. Brave was okay but had its own problems.

If Disney actually gave a crap about what it was trying to do with Frozen, Kristoff and Hans wouldn't have existed in the first place. They were only there so they could go, "SEE??? SEE??? WE'RE DOING AN ABNORMAL THING AREN'T WE SO GREAT. LOOK AT THIS ~MESSAGE~". There was no real effort behind it. You can defend this decision all you want, but it still greatly undermined what they were trying to do with the movie, especially when Anna and Elsa have significantly less speaking roles than the unnecessary surplus of male characters despite being a movie about sisterly love. Kristoff easily could've been replaced with the thief girl from the original fairytale. But nah. There had to be a marketable romance somewhere.