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[ SECRET POST #3421 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3421 ⌋

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[Selena Gomez/Orlando Bloom]

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[Fullmetal Alchemist]

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[Vocaloid, Hatsune Miku]

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[The Great British Bake Off]

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[Anne of Green Gables/Anne of Avonlea]

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[Pokémon Sun and Moon]

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[iZombie]

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[Etrian Odyssey]

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I see entertainment as both a product and a service, so I get irrationally angry when people justify their pirating by saying "they wouldn't have gotten my money anyway, because I'd never buy it." You're still getting an experience (ie service) that you didn't pay for. Ditto "I'm pirating, because what if I hate it?!" That's a risk law-abiding people take every day (except not really because researching shit can be easy), and you're no more special than anyone else.

Yeah. I understand pirating if one has no legal means to get it. But otherwise it's like if I spent a lot of time designing a photography background and then charged people to get their pictures taken in front of it. And then some asshole decides to use my background to take pictures of his kids without paying me using his own camera.

Saying that they wouldn't have paid me anyway and that they wanted to make sure THEY could take the picture so that it turned out nice isn't comforting at all.

It's just people being entitled.

But I don't have $12 to go to the movies, and I don't have $20 to buy a DVD, so what exactly am I supposed to do for fun?

Clearly you have the internet, so stream something on netflix if you have it or youtube or the free version of Hulu, or directly from network sites. Rent a movie. Play online flash games, card games or solitaire with real cards. Read fanfic or public domain books from the gutenberg project. Take a walk, visit your library, day dream. That's just what I thought of in a couple minutes.

I'm sorry you don't have money to buy/go to the movies, but that doesn't give you the right to take what you want when other people have to pay for it.

Well, I do do a lot of those things, but sometimes, I want to see a new movie that just came out or I want to see an old movie. And there are a ton of streaming sites where I don't have to pay.

Am I supposed to be swayed by "But I want to see a new movie"? Because I'm not. There are a bunch of things I want to do. But I can't afford them, so I don't do them. Children stomp their feet and take what they want just because they want it.

You are not a child.

I know I'm not a child. I'm an adult with an Internet connection. And I'm not trying to sway you either. I couldn't care less if do or don't stream movies and shows.

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Check your library. My county library system has all kinds of DVDs. There is also interlibrary loan.

I think what makes me roll my eyes wrt this attitude is that people are offended that others are having fun without paying the right price - it doesn't sound like you're really that upset that the artist isn't getting pegged; you just want to police others' fun and take them down a peg or two.

Sorry some of us have scruples. And it's really rich of you to claim I just want to police people and take them down, when you're doing the same thing.

It's all a matter of which scruples you have. I'm a Utilitarian, so I'm against reducing total happiness. Stealing makes the thief happy and the victim unhappy, so I have to jump through a lot of hoops to argue that stealing is wrong. I've never come up with a a Utilitarian argument for why Internet piracy is directly wrong (though I can argue that it's immoral to fund pirates through advertising revenue.)

Er? I am? How?

I don't even have strong feelings about pirating one way or the other, and I see both sides to that argument; I'm just saying that the "stop doing it because it's wrong because I say so" argument holds no weight to me and strikes me as rather self-righteous. If you can't prove that it actually hurts anyone, then why do you care whether other people do it? Again, it's the approach.

Edited 2016-05-17 12:50 (UTC)

But it does hurt someone. I don't see how you can even argue that it doesn't. Someone pirating something instead of paying for it means that the creator isn't getting that money for their creation. Okay, so you can argue that it's not a big deal if one person does it, but if a bunch of people use that as their justification for pirating, that's a lot of money that's being lost there. And that isn't right. Creators deserve to be compensated for their work unless they specifically choose to make it available for free.

Someone pirating something instead of paying for it means that the creator isn't getting that money for their creation.

...if this is your argument you're missing the entire point of what I'm saying. I UNDERSTAND this argument.

My initial response to the anon on this thread who said they took umbrage with pirating was because that anon based their entire argument on their personal disdain for people doing a thing they didn't like, NOT on the fact that pirating hurts creators. It's not "you have to pay for this so the creator is compensated"; it's "you have to pay for this because I am paying for it and if I have to do it, so do you". And if the former is what AIRT (you? not sure) actually meant, then it was worded very poorly.

ETA: just noticed I wrote "pegged" instead of "paid" up there in my initial response. Sorry if that caused any confusion. (and wow that is a really bad typo)

Edited 2016-05-17 19:53 (UTC)

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Because you're not at all trying to police my comments and take me down a peg right here. Riiiight.

I wasn't specifically going after you with an "oh you suck so much blah blah" approach, I was commenting on the attitude you took. And sometimes people have opinions on the things you say? the horror.

The thing is, it's not like there aren't a million and one different options for perfectly free, LEGAL entertainment. I make barely above minimum wage, I can only go out to see movies once every few months. If there's something I really want to see when it comes out, I prioritize that and save up for it. Otherwise, I can wait until it hits Redbox.

There was a lot more excuse for pirating before the days of things like Hulu and Redbox and Crackle and Amazon and Pandora and Spotify. These days, when you can legally get so many things for free or for the price of having to sit through a few commercials, it's hard to justify.

This. If I see four movies at the theater a year, it's a pretty indulgent year. I'm only 30, so I hate to be all "young kids get off my lawn!" about it, but this really does feel like the ME generation, where everybody wants what they want, and they want it NOW, no matter what.

But like you, if there's a movie coming out that I know I want the theater experience for, I save for it. Which means a lot of movies. Everything else, I'll rent it, probably fewer than six months after it was in theaters, these days. And yeah, maybe that means I have to be more dilligent about avoiding spoilers and I miss the early days of fandom. Heavens, leave me here to drown in my tears about it.

Exactly. The last movie I saw in theaters was Star Wars. I'm planning to see Civil War in a week or two with some friends and we're hitting an early showing to save money. It used to be that you would have to wait upwards of a year for things to be released on VHS/DVD, but these days stuff is out within just a couple of months, so it's not like it's some horrendous wait.

I'm also in my early 30s so I'm blown away by how many options there are for free entertainment compared to when I was in college. Back then, I could totally understand pirating because there was no iTunes where you could get a single song for .99 cents - you had to buy the entire CD for $20. But these days? No sympathy.

What about torrenting non-entertainment things? Like college text books?

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(Anonymous) - 2016-05-17 22:54 (UTC) - Expand

Welp, sorry, but I can't afford a lot of what I imbibe as entertainment, and while free resources are great, sometimes I want to watch a show that's current instead of hitting the library.

Okay? Doesn't justify shit, but have fun pretending it does.

A lot of current shows are available online for free. You may have to wait a week for the most recent episode to be posted, but there are legal ways to watch current shows for free. I know because I've been watching a bunch of currently-airing shows online, all for free and all 100% legal.

But but but, sometimes you have to wait a whole THREE weeks for things to be free online!!! *cries*

me me me i'm the only thing that's important in the universe and my desires come before anything else so stop trying to make me feel bad for stealing uwu

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