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I think what makes me roll my eyes wrt this attitude is that people are offended that others are having fun without paying the right price - it doesn't sound like you're really that upset that the artist isn't getting pegged; you just want to police others' fun and take them down a peg or two.

Sorry some of us have scruples. And it's really rich of you to claim I just want to police people and take them down, when you're doing the same thing.

It's all a matter of which scruples you have. I'm a Utilitarian, so I'm against reducing total happiness. Stealing makes the thief happy and the victim unhappy, so I have to jump through a lot of hoops to argue that stealing is wrong. I've never come up with a a Utilitarian argument for why Internet piracy is directly wrong (though I can argue that it's immoral to fund pirates through advertising revenue.)

Er? I am? How?

I don't even have strong feelings about pirating one way or the other, and I see both sides to that argument; I'm just saying that the "stop doing it because it's wrong because I say so" argument holds no weight to me and strikes me as rather self-righteous. If you can't prove that it actually hurts anyone, then why do you care whether other people do it? Again, it's the approach.

Edited 2016-05-17 12:50 (UTC)

But it does hurt someone. I don't see how you can even argue that it doesn't. Someone pirating something instead of paying for it means that the creator isn't getting that money for their creation. Okay, so you can argue that it's not a big deal if one person does it, but if a bunch of people use that as their justification for pirating, that's a lot of money that's being lost there. And that isn't right. Creators deserve to be compensated for their work unless they specifically choose to make it available for free.

Someone pirating something instead of paying for it means that the creator isn't getting that money for their creation.

...if this is your argument you're missing the entire point of what I'm saying. I UNDERSTAND this argument.

My initial response to the anon on this thread who said they took umbrage with pirating was because that anon based their entire argument on their personal disdain for people doing a thing they didn't like, NOT on the fact that pirating hurts creators. It's not "you have to pay for this so the creator is compensated"; it's "you have to pay for this because I am paying for it and if I have to do it, so do you". And if the former is what AIRT (you? not sure) actually meant, then it was worded very poorly.

ETA: just noticed I wrote "pegged" instead of "paid" up there in my initial response. Sorry if that caused any confusion. (and wow that is a really bad typo)

Edited 2016-05-17 19:53 (UTC)

Oh, please. From the beginning, you just decided that this is all about people doing a thing I don't like, and I want to police their fun, which is something I never said.

Because, yeah, I don't like when people pirate, and their weak-ass justifications is what I was focusing on. But why don't I like when people pirate? Because it hurts creators. But that should be obvious. Pardon the fuck out of me for not forseeing weird-ass tangents you'd take.

No, I responded based on what I saw. It's not my fault you decided to fixate on your judginess and not on your reasons for disliking the thing you don't approve of.

Because you're not at all trying to police my comments and take me down a peg right here. Riiiight.

I wasn't specifically going after you with an "oh you suck so much blah blah" approach, I was commenting on the attitude you took. And sometimes people have opinions on the things you say? the horror.

The thing is, it's not like there aren't a million and one different options for perfectly free, LEGAL entertainment. I make barely above minimum wage, I can only go out to see movies once every few months. If there's something I really want to see when it comes out, I prioritize that and save up for it. Otherwise, I can wait until it hits Redbox.

There was a lot more excuse for pirating before the days of things like Hulu and Redbox and Crackle and Amazon and Pandora and Spotify. These days, when you can legally get so many things for free or for the price of having to sit through a few commercials, it's hard to justify.

This. If I see four movies at the theater a year, it's a pretty indulgent year. I'm only 30, so I hate to be all "young kids get off my lawn!" about it, but this really does feel like the ME generation, where everybody wants what they want, and they want it NOW, no matter what.

But like you, if there's a movie coming out that I know I want the theater experience for, I save for it. Which means a lot of movies. Everything else, I'll rent it, probably fewer than six months after it was in theaters, these days. And yeah, maybe that means I have to be more dilligent about avoiding spoilers and I miss the early days of fandom. Heavens, leave me here to drown in my tears about it.

Exactly. The last movie I saw in theaters was Star Wars. I'm planning to see Civil War in a week or two with some friends and we're hitting an early showing to save money. It used to be that you would have to wait upwards of a year for things to be released on VHS/DVD, but these days stuff is out within just a couple of months, so it's not like it's some horrendous wait.

I'm also in my early 30s so I'm blown away by how many options there are for free entertainment compared to when I was in college. Back then, I could totally understand pirating because there was no iTunes where you could get a single song for .99 cents - you had to buy the entire CD for $20. But these days? No sympathy.

What about torrenting non-entertainment things? Like college text books?

I'm not for that either? I'm not sure why one would be OK and the other wouldn't, unless like Diet Poison, you think I just get my rocks off by policing fun.

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Probably because college textbooks are a necessity for success in a course, are sold at an absolutely exorbitant price because students are a captive audience, and are very, very minimally stocked in university libraries. They're also reprinted with minor variations often enough that buying a used text for a more reasonable rate (reasonable here meaning around $50 rather than $100-$300 per book) isn't always feasible, because the problem sets, tables, and figures may be different enough that the older texts are useless for completing readings and exercises.

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