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Joss Whedon is a talentless hack who got lucky with one show in the 1990s where he had an incredible supporting team buoying him up and has been riding that one off burst of success ever since.

This isn't controversial these days, anon. Hating on Whedon is the popular, basic move.

lol u tried

I don't think he's a hack, I think he's a great director overall and an awesome person, but his stuff has gotten kind of formulaic. Firefly was nearly flawless but I haven't quite loved anything else he's done. Some is pretty good but a lot of it just feels kind of off.

But but but CONFEDERATES!!!! /sarcasm

There is no getting around it, the Confederacy comes with a lot of cultural baggage whether you want it to or not. Whedon should have been more aware of that. If he'd been half the showrunner and writer he's been claimed to be then he would have been. Space Western after a Civil War, with the losers using the rural South's tropes was always going to run into that. He perhaps ought to have worked on that a bit more before going forward with it. Maybe dropped the Civil War angle, or made it clear that the losers in this case were the substitute for the North rather than the South. As it stands it comes across as just whitewashing away all the faults of the Confederacy in order to use the tropes as set dressing, and that is not okay. It wasn't okay in 2002 and it is less okay now.

Firefly ignored a huge amount of problematic material when it decided to be post Civil War in Space, and had the supposed heroes be rebs. Unapologetic rebs at that, and to have the alliance be the bad guys. Not to mention all the Chinese cultural appropriation without a single Chinese main cast member. It was about as bad as you could get, it just gets a free pass because it was a Whedon show and we all wanted to beat Fox up for its early cancellations policy. Taken on its own merits Firefly is a huge mess that deserved its early pull from the schedules. That is without even getting into the lack of acting ability in its main star; a man that could do only quipping or scowling.

>a man that could do only quipping or scowling

I admit that, as someone who never got into Firefly, this made me grin. :)

The only one which is a legitimate criticism is the lack of Chinese actors. I agree there should have been Chinese actors aboard the Serenity. But at the same time, the very concept was that China was an economic-political superpower and eventually everyone on every corner of the earth (or space) was taught Chinese. Chinese language and culture was projected, in the same way that English is in our world. That was the point.

But I lol at the "confederacy" criticism. Firefly literally is not about the Civil War. It takes place in the same world as ours, so the real Civil War has already happened, and it certainly isn't about black slavery since on of the two main characters who fought in the war on the crew is black. Firefly took two popular tropes: space cowboy, and rebellion against The Machine (both of which have been done in excess in the sci-fi genre).

he had an incredible supporting team buoying him up

Members of his writing team for Buffy have literally said in interviews that a lot of the time, the lines people would praise them for would be lines Joss Whedon actually wrote himself when they weren't sure what to put at that point in the script.

Plus, the Joss written episodes of Buffy, Firefly, and even Angel, were almost always the best episodes - both in terms of how they were received critically, and by audiences when they aired. So the amount of squinting and head-turning (and outright fabricating) you must be doing in order to believe your own statement here is pretty intense.

I don't think he's a hack but I think his moment has passed.

That one show was on the CW, the fact that there was even a burst of success to ride off from it speaks to some level of genuine talent. Pretty sure Jane the Virgin's the only other show from that network that's gotten any real recognition, and I can't even think of any other CW show producers that actually had a career after theirs, let alone one that had them writing giant mainstream blockbusters.

Greg Berlanti created Everwood on the CW and has gone on to helm a shit ton of shows on that network and off, including the slate of popular DC shows currently on air.

SA: Technically, Everwood was The WB, before it merged with UPN to become the CW, but if you were unaware of The Flash, Arrow and Supergirl, you're not paying enough attention to speak with any credibility.

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