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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-05-17 06:52 pm

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Re: controversial opinions thread

(Anonymous) 2016-05-17 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't really feel like "acephobia" is a thing?

I don't doubt that people who are asexual run into problems, but at the same time, I feel like most of the stories I've read aren't "acephobia" but people reacting with misogyny, homophobia, etc.

Re: controversial opinions thread

(Anonymous) 2016-05-17 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I also don't think it's a thing. Celibacy has been valued for basically thousands of years. Sure, today if you tell someone you never have a sex drive and never feel sexually attracted to people, you might get some people trying to tell you that you just haven't met the right person yet or maybe you're just scared of sex and need therapy, but that is hardly comparable to something like racism or homophobia.

Re: controversial opinions thread

(Anonymous) 2016-05-18 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
Celibacy has been valued for basically thousands of years.

That's a silly myth. The only time celibacy has ever widely been valued is for members of religious orders. People have always known they needed to reproduce. Why do you think arranged marriages were so popular and being a spinster was considered the worst thing ever?

Re: controversial opinions thread

(Anonymous) 2016-05-18 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
It is absolutely not a myth. Just looking at medieval Christianity, sex was constantly spouted as being bad and there were so many religious restrictions about when and how one could have sex, and condemning even feelings of lust, that even married couples could be encouraged to only have sex when absolutely necessary (and the "restrictions" made it banned almost every day). Obviously in practice, people had loads of sex, but chastity was still ABSOLUTELY considered a virtue.

Obviously people "knew they had to reproduce", that doesn't mean everyone did. Even in noble families, children were often given away to the church because they needed to get rid of extra heirs. Arranged marriages were political institutions and plenty arranged marriages never resulted in children - and plenty of wives and husbands both left the marriage to join religious orders or otherwise chose to abstain from sex.

Are you trying to argue that "if chastity was a virtue WHY did people have babies?" because I don't even get what you're trying to say. People will have sex and have babies, but that has nothing to do with chastity not being valued.

Re: controversial opinions thread

(Anonymous) 2016-05-18 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Chastity was valued in an unwed woman but women at that time were expected to get married and have kids. At that point, chastity was out the window.

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Re: controversial opinions thread

[personal profile] crossy_woad 2016-05-18 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
I do think there was SOMETIMES room for people not to be judged if they went unmarried, but not all people and not in all times.

For instance, many women had no choice about marriage. Whether they wanted to have sex or not, they had to. It fucking sucked.

Re: controversial opinions thread

(Anonymous) 2016-05-18 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
it's not

how sad this is in the "controversial" opinions thread
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Re: controversial opinions thread

[personal profile] sparrow_lately 2016-05-18 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
I largely agree

Re: controversial opinions thread

(Anonymous) 2016-05-18 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
People showing contempt and hostility towards people who are open about not having sex - specifically because they are open about not having sex - is definitely a thing. People prejudging people who are open about not having sex is also definitely a thing.

You can say it's not a thing. You can also say pineapple is not a thing. It'll still be a thing.

Re: controversial opinions thread

(Anonymous) 2016-05-18 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)
people show contempt for furries, does that make furphobia a thing?

Re: controversial opinions thread

(Anonymous) 2016-05-18 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
People are only showing contempt and hostility toward people who are open about not having sex because the latter group has seen fit to declare themselves superior beings because they don't have sex and spread absolutely warped ideas regarding the sexuality of other people.

One word: Outlawroad

https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/outlawroad

Re: controversial opinions thread

(Anonymous) 2016-05-18 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe some do (and I'd bet it's a tiny group) but I definitely do not, and I don't know anyone who does.

I don't think I'm superior to people for not having sex, I'm happy for everyone who's having a ton of sex and enjoying it. All I want is the same courtesy. When the topic of sex comes up to be able to say I'm not interested in it and not have people jump all over me for what a weirdo and a prude and a freak I am. Just "that's cool, if you're happy with it, good for you", which is the same response I give to them when they tell me about their sex life. I don't call them names for their sex lives because why would I? Anyone should be able to have whatever kind of sex life they want as long as they're not harming anyone else. Why can't asexual people get the same respect?

Re: controversial opinions thread

(Anonymous) 2016-05-18 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
I agree. I see people bitching and crying on Tumblr about how they're so 'oppressed' and it just makes me roll my eyes.

Re: controversial opinions thread

(Anonymous) 2016-05-18 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
I'm asexual and while I don't think acephobia is really a thing (at least not anywhere near comparable to other "non-normative sexuality"-phobias), asexual erasure is definitely a thing (considering that a huge number of people either don't know we exist or deny to our faces that asexuality exists).